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From: Sergio Lopez <slp@redhat.com>
To: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-fs-list <virtio-fs@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] Securing file handles
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 15:15:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210308141544.3ioxhrcu6uhiwukj@mhamilton> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b2b29e3c-f87b-03fd-a465-2ac6d1084a82@redhat.com>

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On Mon, Mar 08, 2021 at 11:52:58AM +0100, Max Reitz wrote:
> On 08.03.21 10:06, Sergio Lopez wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 05, 2021 at 05:22:56PM +0100, Max Reitz wrote:
> > > == Summary ==
> > > 
> > > So, my current position is:
> > > 
> > > - Bind mounts don’t help with restricting file handles to the exported
> > >    directory.
> > > 
> > > - A MAC is not very elegant, and we might encounter problems where a
> > >    file may be moved outside of the shared directory, but remains
> > >    accessible (because moving a file doesn’t change its handle).
> > >    (If we consider that a problem.  NFS evidently doesn’t, because
> > >    without subtree_check, it has absolutely no protection against
> > >    arbitrary file handles being opened (on the FS where the export
> > >    resides), so valid file handles always remain valid.)
> > > 
> > > - A solution such as NFS’s subtree_check (i.e., storing the file’s
> > >    parent’s handle in addition to the file’s handle itself, then
> > >    verifying that the file does still reside in that directory when the
> > >    handle is opened, and then going up the tree to see whether we can
> > >    trace it back to the shared directory) is interesting and can perhaps
> > >    be considered elegant, but it requires iterating the directory the
> > >    file resides in when it is opened, and it will result in file handles
> > >    being invalidated whenever a file is moved (outside of its directory).
> > >    Perhaps also other issues.  In any case, there are reasons why NFS has
> > >    basically deprecated this.
> > > 
> > > Opinions? :)
> > 
> > While the MAC option doesn't look too bad to me, I can't help but feel
> > that we're working around a kernel (mis)feature, which is something
> > that's risky and tends to backfire.
> 
> Which misfeature do you mean exactly?  That you can open arbitrary files by
> specifying the right magic number (i.e. its handle)?
> 
> That in itself is nothing we’re really working around, but rather something
> that we actively want to pass through to the guest.

But I think those file handles should be constrained to some context
other than the backing file system. In any case, I see Miklos has
highlighted the same issue with more detail in his response, so let's
follow up this conversation there to avoid dispersion.

Sergio.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-08 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-05 16:22 [Virtio-fs] Securing file handles Max Reitz
2021-03-08  9:06 ` Sergio Lopez
2021-03-08 10:52   ` Max Reitz
2021-03-08 14:15     ` Sergio Lopez [this message]
2021-03-08 15:01   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-03-08  9:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-03-08 11:29   ` Max Reitz
2021-03-08 12:30     ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-03-08 13:39       ` Max Reitz
2021-03-08 14:50         ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-03-16 17:28           ` Max Reitz
2021-03-17 13:19             ` Vivek Goyal
2021-03-17 15:13               ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-03-08 22:03   ` Vivek Goyal
2021-03-08 11:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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