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From: Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>
To: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-fs-list <virtio-fs@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] Securing file handles
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 13:30:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOssrKeVf-8pNyFuyVpTTUZbMaU9N8E-Q3-p7xfa=gsmQYk-1A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2d94bc7c-e999-44b1-7813-6269cbfcf54e@redhat.com>

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 12:29 PM Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On 08.03.21 10:54, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks for the good summary.
> >
> > Another aspect is what the file handle will be used for:
> >
> >   a) allowing server to close O_PATH descriptors any time because they
> > can be reconstructed using the file handle
> >
> >   b) allowing NFS export on client, or just name_to_handle_at(2)
> > open_by_handle_at(2).
> >
> > The requirements are slightly different, since file handles used for
> > (a) do not have to persist after a guest reboot (since the VFS cache
> > referencing those handles is gone).  While (b) requires persistence
> > after a reboot.
>
> I’m not even sure we need file handles in the guest for (a).  For
> example, we could just store the file handle for each node in the table
> virtiofsd keeps.

Right.


>  Or perhaps we don’t even need that, because we can
> always reopen nodes with something like
>
>    openat(self.parent.fd.get(), self.name)
>
> (which may recurse quite a bit).  The problem with that would be “what
> happens when a directory is moved”, but well, what does happen then?  Is
> that change propagated to the guest today?  Or will things break?  If
> so, how will they break?

Today this should work because of the O_PATH descriptors that are kept
open for all cached objects.  Those descriptors track any local
movement of objects and possibly even remote (depends on the
underlying filesystem).

> > Yet another issue is global CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH required by the server
> > for file handle decode.
> >
> > Taking this into account, I think the final solution has to be in the
> > host kernel.   E.g. it seems okay to allow user namespace owner to
> > decode file handles on filesystems it actually owns.
>
> What do you mean by “owns”?  That the process’s user is the owner of the
> FS root?

User namespaces each have an owner (the user which has additional
capabilities in that user namespace) and each filesystem has an owning
user namespace (s_user_ns).   E.g. the following will create a tmpfs
instance owned by $USER:

$ unshare -rUm
# mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mnt

On this mount $USER has superuser privileges on all files and
directories, which includes CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH.

> > That would not
> > generally help us, though, since virtiofs will want to export root
> > owned fs as well.
> >
> > Addition of a MAC header to the file handle by name_to_handle_at(2)
> > could solve some or all of the above problems.  The question is where
> > the key comes from and what the security implications are.
> >
> > A per-process (e.g. associated with task->files, generated by the
> > kernel on demand and discarded on process exit) key would suffice to
> > replace O_PATH descriptors.  In this case the only difference between
> > keeping the O_PATH fd open and
> >
> >    name_to_handle_at(opathfd, &handle);
> >    close(opathfd);
> >    opathfd=open_by_handle_at(&handle);
> >
> > would be that the resulting fd might point to a disconnected dentry
> > and hence would result in incomplete path information under
> > /proc/self/fd/.  Need to think hard about whether this has any
> > security implications for unprivileged users.
> >
> > Adding key management would solve the other aspects, but would also
> > possibly open up holes for accessing arbitrary files, so this would
> > need to be done carefully.
>
> I have a bad feeling in my stomach when thinking about adding such
> things to the kernel.

Yet it could be more generally useful, not just for virtiofsd.   An
RFC patch should be simple enough and feedback from VFS and security
folks could help decide whether to pursue this route or not.

I've not yet used the crypto API in the kernel, but I guess generating
a key and creating a MAC are not such a big deal.  Do you want to have
a go at this, or should I?

Thanks,
Miklos



  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-08 12:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-05 16:22 [Virtio-fs] Securing file handles Max Reitz
2021-03-08  9:06 ` Sergio Lopez
2021-03-08 10:52   ` Max Reitz
2021-03-08 14:15     ` Sergio Lopez
2021-03-08 15:01   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-03-08  9:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-03-08 11:29   ` Max Reitz
2021-03-08 12:30     ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2021-03-08 13:39       ` Max Reitz
2021-03-08 14:50         ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-03-16 17:28           ` Max Reitz
2021-03-17 13:19             ` Vivek Goyal
2021-03-17 15:13               ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-03-08 22:03   ` Vivek Goyal
2021-03-08 11:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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