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From: Ashish Kalra <ashish.kalra@amd.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, thomas.lendacky@amd.com,
	brijesh.singh@amd.com, ehabkost@redhat.com, mst@redhat.com,
	richard.henderson@linaro.org, jejb@linux.ibm.com, tobin@ibm.com,
	dovmurik@linux.vnet.ibm.com, frankeh@us.ibm.com,
	dgilbert@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/13] Add support for Mirror VM.
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 14:44:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210816144413.GA29881@ashkalra_ubuntu_server> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fb737cf0-3d96-173f-333b-876dfd59d32b@redhat.com>

Hello Paolo,

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 04:15:46PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 16/08/21 15:25, Ashish Kalra wrote:
> > From: Ashish Kalra<ashish.kalra@amd.com>
> > 
> > This is an RFC series for Mirror VM support that are
> > essentially secondary VMs sharing the encryption context
> > (ASID) with a primary VM. The patch-set creates a new
> > VM and shares the primary VM's encryption context
> > with it using the KVM_CAP_VM_COPY_ENC_CONTEXT_FROM capability.
> > The mirror VM uses a separate pair of VM + vCPU file
> > descriptors and also uses a simplified KVM run loop,
> > for example, it does not support any interrupt vmexit's. etc.
> > Currently the mirror VM shares the address space of the
> > primary VM.
> > 
> > The mirror VM can be used for running an in-guest migration
> > helper (MH). It also might have future uses for other in-guest
> > operations.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> first of all, thanks for posting this work and starting the discussion.
> 
> However, I am not sure if the in-guest migration helper vCPUs should use the
> existing KVM support code.  For example, they probably can just always work
> with host CPUID (copied directly from KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID), and they do
> not need to interface with QEMU's MMIO logic.  They would just sit on a
> "HLT" instruction and communicate with the main migration loop using some
> kind of standardized ring buffer protocol; the migration loop then executes
> KVM_RUN in order to start the processing of pages, and expects a
> KVM_EXIT_HLT when the VM has nothing to do or requires processing on the
> host.
> 

]

I am not sure if we really don't need QEMU's MMIO logic, I think that once the
mirror VM starts booting and running the UEFI code, it might be only during
the PEI or DXE phase where it will start actually running the MH code,
so mirror VM probably still need to handles KVM_EXIT_IO when SEC phase does I/O,
I can see PIC accesses and Debug Agent initialization stuff in SEC startup code.

Addtionally this still requires CPUState{..} structure and the backing
"X86CPU" structure, for example, as part of kvm_arch_post_run() to get
the MemTxAttrs needed by kvm_handle_io().

Thanks,
Ashish

> The migration helper can then also use its own address space, for example
> operating directly on ram_addr_t values with the helper running at very high
> virtual addresses.  Migration code can use a RAMBlockNotifier to invoke
> KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION on the mirror VM (and never enable dirty memory
> logging on the mirror VM, too, which has better performance).
> 
> With this implementation, the number of mirror vCPUs does not even have to
> be indicated on the command line.  The VM and its vCPUs can simply be
> created when migration starts.  In the SEV-ES case, the guest can even
> provide the VMSA that starts the migration helper.
> 
> The disadvantage is that, as you point out, in the future some of the
> infrastructure you introduce might be useful for VMPL0 operation on SEV-SNP.
> My proposal above might require some code duplication. However, it might
> even be that VMPL0 operation works best with a model more similar to my
> sketch of the migration helper; it's really too early to say.
> 
> Paolo
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-08-16 14:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-16 13:25 [RFC PATCH 00/13] Add support for Mirror VM Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:26 ` [RFC PATCH 01/13] machine: Add mirrorvcpus=N suboption to -smp Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 21:23   ` Eric Blake
2021-08-16 21:23     ` Eric Blake
2021-08-16 13:27 ` [RFC PATCH 02/13] hw/boards: Add mirror_vcpu flag to CPUArchId Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:27 ` [RFC PATCH 03/13] hw/i386: Mark mirror vcpus in possible_cpus Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:27 ` [RFC PATCH 04/13] hw/acpi: Don't include mirror vcpus in ACPI tables Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:28 ` [RFC PATCH 05/13] cpu: Add boolean mirror_vcpu field to CPUState Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:28 ` [RFC PATCH 06/13] hw/i386: Set CPUState.mirror_vcpu=true for mirror vcpus Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 07/13] kvm: Add Mirror VM ioctl and enable cap interfaces Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 08/13] kvm: Add Mirror VM support Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 09/13] kvm: create Mirror VM and share primary VM's encryption context Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:30 ` [RFC PATCH 10/13] softmmu/cpu: Skip mirror vcpu's for pause, resume and synchronization Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:30 ` [RFC PATCH 11/13] kvm/apic: Disable in-kernel APIC support for mirror vcpu's Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:31 ` [RFC PATCH 12/13] hw/acpi: disable modern CPU hotplug interface " Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:31 ` [RFC PATCH 13/13] hw/i386/pc: reduce fw_cfg boot cpu count taking into account " Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH 00/13] Add support for Mirror VM Claudio Fontana
2021-08-16 14:01   ` Claudio Fontana
2021-08-16 14:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 14:15   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 14:23   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-08-16 14:23     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-08-16 15:00     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 15:00       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 15:16       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-08-16 15:16         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-08-16 15:35         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 15:35           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 14:44   ` Ashish Kalra [this message]
2021-08-16 14:58     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 14:58       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 15:13       ` Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 15:38         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 15:38           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 15:48           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-16 15:48             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 10:31           ` Ashish Kalra
2021-08-18 11:25             ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 11:25               ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 15:31               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 15:31                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 15:35                 ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 15:35                   ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 15:43                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 15:43                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 16:28                     ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 16:28                       ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 17:30                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 17:30                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 18:51                         ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 18:51                           ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 19:47             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 17:23   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-16 17:23     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-16 20:53     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 23:53 ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-16 23:53   ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-17  7:05   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-17  7:05     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-17  8:38   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17  8:38     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 14:08     ` Ashish Kalra
2021-08-17 16:32   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-17 16:32     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-17 20:50     ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-17 20:50       ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-17 22:04       ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-17 22:04         ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-18 15:32         ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-18 15:32           ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-18 19:04           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 19:04             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 21:42             ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-18 21:42               ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-19  8:22               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-19  8:22                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-19 14:06                 ` James Bottomley
2021-08-19 14:06                   ` James Bottomley
2021-08-19 14:28                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-19 14:28                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-19 22:10                     ` James Bottomley
2021-08-19 22:10                       ` James Bottomley
2021-08-23 12:26                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-23 12:26                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-23 16:28                         ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-23 16:28                           ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-19 14:07                 ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-19 14:07                   ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-17 23:20       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-17 23:20         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-17 21:54     ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-17 21:54       ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-17 22:37       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-17 22:37         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-17 22:57         ` James Bottomley
2021-08-17 22:57           ` James Bottomley
2021-08-17 23:10           ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-17 23:10             ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-18  2:49             ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18  2:49               ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 14:06         ` Ashish Kalra
2021-08-18 17:07           ` Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 15:07 Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-16 15:07 ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum

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