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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Xie Yongji <xieyongji@bytedance.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, markver@us.ibm.com,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] virtio: write back features before verify
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 08:54:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211004083455-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ee912e45.fsf@redhat.com>

On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 02:01:14PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 03 2021, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > Sent too early. So here's what I propose. Could you pls take a look
> > and if you like this, post a ccw section?
> 
> We have not talked about the mmio transport so far, but I guess it
> should be fine as legacy and standard are separated.
> 
> > There's also an attempt to prevent fallback from modern to legacy
> > here since if driver does fallback then failing FEATURES_OK can't work
> > properly.
> > That's a separate issue, will be a separate patch when I post
> > this for consideration by the TC.
> >
> >
> > diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
> > index 1398390..06271f4 100644
> > --- a/content.tex
> > +++ b/content.tex
> > @@ -140,10 +140,13 @@ \subsection{Legacy Interface: A Note on Feature
> >  Bits}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Feature
> >  Bits / Legacy Interface: A Note on Feature Bits}
> >  
> > -Transitional Drivers MUST detect Legacy Devices by detecting that
> > -the feature bit VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 is not offered.
> > -Transitional devices MUST detect Legacy drivers by detecting that
> > -VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 has not been acknowledged by the driver.
> > +Transitional drivers MAY support operating legacy devices.
> > +Transitional devices MAY support operation by legacy drivers.
> 
> Why 'MAY'? Isn't the whole point of transitional that it can deal with
> both?

I guess. OK we can make it MUST.

> > +
> > +Transitional drivers MUST detect legacy devices in a way that is
> > +transport specific.
> > +Transitional devices MUST detect legacy drivers in a way that
> > +is transport specific.
> >  
> >  In this case device is used through the legacy interface.
> >  
> > @@ -160,6 +163,33 @@ \subsection{Legacy Interface: A Note on Feature
> >  Specification text within these sections generally does not apply
> >  to non-transitional devices.
> >  
> > +\begin{note}
> > +The device offers different features when used through
> > +the legacy interface and when operated in accordance with this
> > +specification.
> > +\end{note}
> > +
> > +Transitional drivers MUST use Devices only through the legacy interface
> 
> s/Devices only through the legacy interface/devices through the legacy
> interface only/
> 
> ?

Both versions are actually confused, since how do you
find out that device does not offer VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1?

I think what this should really say is

Transitional drivers MUST NOT accept VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 through
the legacy interface.


Does linux actually satisfy this? Will it accept VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1
through the legacy interface if offered?

> > +if the feature bit VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 is not offered.
> > +Transitional devices MUST NOT offer VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 when used through
> > +the legacy interface.
> > +
> > +When the driver uses a device through the legacy interface, then it
> > +MUST only accept the features the device offered through the
> > +legacy interface.
> > +
> > +When used through the legacy interface, the device SHOULD
> > +validate that the driver only accepted the features it
> > +offered through the legacy interface.
> > +
> > +When operating a transitional device, a transitional driver
> > +SHOULD NOT use the device through the legacy interface if
> > +operation through the modern interface has failed.
> > +In particular, a transitional driver
> > +SHOULD NOT fall back to using the device through the
> > +legacy interface if feature negotiation failed
> > +(since that would defeat the purpose of the FEATURES_OK bit).
> > +
> >  \section{Notifications}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device
> >  / Notifications}
> >  
> > @@ -1003,6 +1033,12 @@ \subsubsection{Common configuration structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport
> >  
> >  The driver MUST NOT write a 0 to \field{queue_enable}.
> >  
> > +\paragraph}{Legacy Interface: Common configuration structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI Device Layout / Legacy Interface: Common configuration structure layout}
> > +Transitional drivers SHOULD detect legacy devices by detecting
> > +that the device has the Transitional PCI Device ID in
> > +the range 0x1000 to 0x103f and lacks a VIRTIO_PCI_CAP_COMMON_CFG
> > +capability specifying the location of a common configuration structure.
> > +
> >  \subsubsection{Notification structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI Device Layout / Notification capability}
> >  
> >  The notification location is found using the VIRTIO_PCI_CAP_NOTIFY_CFG
> > @@ -1288,6 +1324,10 @@ \subsubsection{Legacy Interfaces: A Note on PCI Device Layout}\label{sec:Virtio
> >  Transitional devices MUST present part of configuration
> >  registers in a legacy configuration structure in BAR0 in the first I/O
> >  region of the PCI device, as documented below.
> > +
> > +Transitional devices SHOULD detect legacy drivers by detecting
> > +access to the legacy configuration structure.
> > +
> >  When using the legacy interface, transitional drivers
> >  MUST use the legacy configuration structure in BAR0 in the first
> >  I/O region of the PCI device, as documented below.
> 
> Generally, looks good to me.

Do we want to also add explanation that features can be
changed until FEATURES_OK?


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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, markver@us.ibm.com,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	Xie Yongji <xieyongji@bytedance.com>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] virtio: write back features before verify
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 08:54:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211004083455-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ee912e45.fsf@redhat.com>

On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 02:01:14PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 03 2021, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > Sent too early. So here's what I propose. Could you pls take a look
> > and if you like this, post a ccw section?
> 
> We have not talked about the mmio transport so far, but I guess it
> should be fine as legacy and standard are separated.
> 
> > There's also an attempt to prevent fallback from modern to legacy
> > here since if driver does fallback then failing FEATURES_OK can't work
> > properly.
> > That's a separate issue, will be a separate patch when I post
> > this for consideration by the TC.
> >
> >
> > diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
> > index 1398390..06271f4 100644
> > --- a/content.tex
> > +++ b/content.tex
> > @@ -140,10 +140,13 @@ \subsection{Legacy Interface: A Note on Feature
> >  Bits}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Feature
> >  Bits / Legacy Interface: A Note on Feature Bits}
> >  
> > -Transitional Drivers MUST detect Legacy Devices by detecting that
> > -the feature bit VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 is not offered.
> > -Transitional devices MUST detect Legacy drivers by detecting that
> > -VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 has not been acknowledged by the driver.
> > +Transitional drivers MAY support operating legacy devices.
> > +Transitional devices MAY support operation by legacy drivers.
> 
> Why 'MAY'? Isn't the whole point of transitional that it can deal with
> both?

I guess. OK we can make it MUST.

> > +
> > +Transitional drivers MUST detect legacy devices in a way that is
> > +transport specific.
> > +Transitional devices MUST detect legacy drivers in a way that
> > +is transport specific.
> >  
> >  In this case device is used through the legacy interface.
> >  
> > @@ -160,6 +163,33 @@ \subsection{Legacy Interface: A Note on Feature
> >  Specification text within these sections generally does not apply
> >  to non-transitional devices.
> >  
> > +\begin{note}
> > +The device offers different features when used through
> > +the legacy interface and when operated in accordance with this
> > +specification.
> > +\end{note}
> > +
> > +Transitional drivers MUST use Devices only through the legacy interface
> 
> s/Devices only through the legacy interface/devices through the legacy
> interface only/
> 
> ?

Both versions are actually confused, since how do you
find out that device does not offer VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1?

I think what this should really say is

Transitional drivers MUST NOT accept VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 through
the legacy interface.


Does linux actually satisfy this? Will it accept VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1
through the legacy interface if offered?

> > +if the feature bit VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 is not offered.
> > +Transitional devices MUST NOT offer VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 when used through
> > +the legacy interface.
> > +
> > +When the driver uses a device through the legacy interface, then it
> > +MUST only accept the features the device offered through the
> > +legacy interface.
> > +
> > +When used through the legacy interface, the device SHOULD
> > +validate that the driver only accepted the features it
> > +offered through the legacy interface.
> > +
> > +When operating a transitional device, a transitional driver
> > +SHOULD NOT use the device through the legacy interface if
> > +operation through the modern interface has failed.
> > +In particular, a transitional driver
> > +SHOULD NOT fall back to using the device through the
> > +legacy interface if feature negotiation failed
> > +(since that would defeat the purpose of the FEATURES_OK bit).
> > +
> >  \section{Notifications}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device
> >  / Notifications}
> >  
> > @@ -1003,6 +1033,12 @@ \subsubsection{Common configuration structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport
> >  
> >  The driver MUST NOT write a 0 to \field{queue_enable}.
> >  
> > +\paragraph}{Legacy Interface: Common configuration structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI Device Layout / Legacy Interface: Common configuration structure layout}
> > +Transitional drivers SHOULD detect legacy devices by detecting
> > +that the device has the Transitional PCI Device ID in
> > +the range 0x1000 to 0x103f and lacks a VIRTIO_PCI_CAP_COMMON_CFG
> > +capability specifying the location of a common configuration structure.
> > +
> >  \subsubsection{Notification structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI Device Layout / Notification capability}
> >  
> >  The notification location is found using the VIRTIO_PCI_CAP_NOTIFY_CFG
> > @@ -1288,6 +1324,10 @@ \subsubsection{Legacy Interfaces: A Note on PCI Device Layout}\label{sec:Virtio
> >  Transitional devices MUST present part of configuration
> >  registers in a legacy configuration structure in BAR0 in the first I/O
> >  region of the PCI device, as documented below.
> > +
> > +Transitional devices SHOULD detect legacy drivers by detecting
> > +access to the legacy configuration structure.
> > +
> >  When using the legacy interface, transitional drivers
> >  MUST use the legacy configuration structure in BAR0 in the first
> >  I/O region of the PCI device, as documented below.
> 
> Generally, looks good to me.

Do we want to also add explanation that features can be
changed until FEATURES_OK?

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Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-30  1:20 [RFC PATCH 1/1] virtio: write back features before verify Halil Pasic
2021-09-30  1:20 ` Halil Pasic
2021-09-30  8:04 ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-09-30  8:04   ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-09-30  9:28 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-09-30  9:28   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-09-30 11:03   ` Halil Pasic
2021-09-30 11:03     ` Halil Pasic
2021-09-30 11:31     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-09-30 11:31       ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-01 14:22       ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-01 14:22         ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-01 15:18         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-01 15:18           ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-02 18:13           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-02 18:13             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04  2:23             ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-04  2:23               ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-04  9:07               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04  9:07                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04  9:07                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 10:06                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 10:06                   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 10:06                   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 10:43                 ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 10:43                   ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 10:43                   ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 11:11                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 11:11                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 11:11                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 11:13                   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 11:13                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 11:13                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 11:20                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 11:20                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 11:20                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 11:59                     ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 11:59                       ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 11:59                       ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 15:25                       ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 15:25                         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 15:25                         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04  7:01             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04  7:01               ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04  9:25               ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-04  9:25                 ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-04  9:51                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04  9:51                   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-02 12:09       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-02 12:09         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 11:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 11:12   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 11:36   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-09-30 11:36     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-02 18:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-02 18:20       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-03  5:00       ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-03  5:00         ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-03  6:42         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-03  6:42           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-03  7:26           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-03  7:26             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 12:01             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 12:01               ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 12:01               ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 12:54               ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2021-10-04 12:54                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 14:27                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 14:27                   ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 14:27                   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 15:05                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 15:05                     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 15:05                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 15:45                     ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 15:45                       ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 15:45                       ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 20:01                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 20:01                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05  7:38                         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05  7:38                           ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05  7:38                           ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 11:17                         ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 11:17                           ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 11:22                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 11:22                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 15:20                             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 15:20                               ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 15:20                               ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-05 15:20                               ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-01  7:21   ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-01  7:21     ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-02 10:21     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-02 10:21       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 12:19       ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 12:19         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 12:19         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 13:11         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 13:11           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 13:11           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 14:33           ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 14:33             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 14:33             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 15:07             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 15:07               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 15:07               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 15:50               ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 15:50                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 15:50                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-04 19:17                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 19:17                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-04 19:17                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-06 10:13                   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-06 10:13                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-06 10:13                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-06 12:15                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-06 12:15                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-06 12:15                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05  7:25           ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05  7:25             ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05  7:25             ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05  7:53             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05  7:53               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05  7:53               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 10:46               ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 10:46                 ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 10:46                 ` Halil Pasic
2021-10-05 11:11                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 11:11                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05 11:11                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-01 14:34 ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-10-01 14:34   ` Christian Borntraeger

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