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From: Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
To: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Cc: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	Aleksandar Markovic <aleksandar.qemu.devel@gmail.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup.patel@wdc.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@ozlabs.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, kvm-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] KVM: arm64: Cap KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS by KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 11:38:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211112103851.pmb35qf5bvcukjmg@gator.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875ysxg0s1.fsf@redhat.com>

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:51:10AM +0100, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
> Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org> writes:
> 
> > Hi Vitaly,
> >
> > On 2021-11-11 16:27, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
> >> It doesn't make sense to return the recommended maximum number of
> >> vCPUs which exceeds the maximum possible number of vCPUs.
> >> 
> >> Signed-off-by: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
> >> ---
> >>  arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c | 7 ++++++-
> >>  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >> 
> >> diff --git a/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c b/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
> >> index 7838e9fb693e..391dc7a921d5 100644
> >> --- a/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
> >> +++ b/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
> >> @@ -223,7 +223,12 @@ int kvm_vm_ioctl_check_extension(struct kvm *kvm, 
> >> long ext)
> >>  		r = 1;
> >>  		break;
> >>  	case KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS:
> >> -		r = num_online_cpus();
> >> +		if (kvm)
> >> +			r = min_t(unsigned int, num_online_cpus(),
> >> +				  kvm->arch.max_vcpus);
> >> +		else
> >> +			r = min_t(unsigned int, num_online_cpus(),
> >> +				  kvm_arm_default_max_vcpus());
> >>  		break;
> >>  	case KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS:
> >>  	case KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPU_ID:
> >
> > This looks odd. This means that depending on the phase userspace is
> > in while initialising the VM, KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS can return one thing
> > or the other.
> >
> > For example, I create a VM on a 32 CPU system, NR_VCPUS says 32.
> > I create a GICv2 interrupt controller, it now says 8.
> >
> > That's a change in behaviour that is visible by userspace
> 
> Yes, I realize this is a userspace visible change. The reason I suggest
> it is that logically, it seems very odd that the maximum recommended
> number of vCPUs (KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS) can be higher, than the maximum
> supported number of vCPUs (KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS). All userspaces which use
> this information somehow should already contain some workaround for this
> case. (maybe it's a rare one and nobody hit it yet or maybe there are no
> userspaces using KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS for anything besides complaining --
> like QEMU).
> 
> I'd like KVM to be consistent across architectures and have the same
> (similar) meaning for KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS.

KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS seems pretty useless if we just want to tell userspace
the same thing it can get with _SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN. In fact, if userspace
knows something we don't about the future onlining of some pcpus, then
maybe userspace would prefer to check _SC_NPROCESSORS_CONF.

> 
> > which I'm keen on avoiding. I'd rather have the kvm and !kvm cases
> > return the same thing.
> 
> Forgive me my (ARM?) ignorance but what would it be then? If we go for
> min(num_online_cpus(), kvm_arm_default_max_vcpus()) in both cases, cat
> this can still go above KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS after vGIC is created?

So the GIC version case looks like the type of thing that could make
KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS useful, i.e. being able to tell userspace a maximum
number of vcpus supported for a given configuration. However, even
in that case the concept of "recommended" number doesn't make sense,
because, for the GICv2 example, a VM cannot configure more than 8 VCPUs,
so it's a real limit, not a recommendation. Maybe KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS should
just be left alone, but deprecated, and, if there's need, a new CAP could
be created for a config-vcpu-max.

Thanks,
drew


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From: Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
To: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Cc: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	Aleksandar Markovic <aleksandar.qemu.devel@gmail.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup.patel@wdc.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@ozlabs.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, kvm-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] KVM: arm64: Cap KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS by KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 11:38:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211112103851.pmb35qf5bvcukjmg@gator.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875ysxg0s1.fsf@redhat.com>

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:51:10AM +0100, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
> Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org> writes:
> 
> > Hi Vitaly,
> >
> > On 2021-11-11 16:27, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
> >> It doesn't make sense to return the recommended maximum number of
> >> vCPUs which exceeds the maximum possible number of vCPUs.
> >> 
> >> Signed-off-by: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
> >> ---
> >>  arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c | 7 ++++++-
> >>  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >> 
> >> diff --git a/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c b/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
> >> index 7838e9fb693e..391dc7a921d5 100644
> >> --- a/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
> >> +++ b/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
> >> @@ -223,7 +223,12 @@ int kvm_vm_ioctl_check_extension(struct kvm *kvm, 
> >> long ext)
> >>  		r = 1;
> >>  		break;
> >>  	case KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS:
> >> -		r = num_online_cpus();
> >> +		if (kvm)
> >> +			r = min_t(unsigned int, num_online_cpus(),
> >> +				  kvm->arch.max_vcpus);
> >> +		else
> >> +			r = min_t(unsigned int, num_online_cpus(),
> >> +				  kvm_arm_default_max_vcpus());
> >>  		break;
> >>  	case KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS:
> >>  	case KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPU_ID:
> >
> > This looks odd. This means that depending on the phase userspace is
> > in while initialising the VM, KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS can return one thing
> > or the other.
> >
> > For example, I create a VM on a 32 CPU system, NR_VCPUS says 32.
> > I create a GICv2 interrupt controller, it now says 8.
> >
> > That's a change in behaviour that is visible by userspace
> 
> Yes, I realize this is a userspace visible change. The reason I suggest
> it is that logically, it seems very odd that the maximum recommended
> number of vCPUs (KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS) can be higher, than the maximum
> supported number of vCPUs (KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS). All userspaces which use
> this information somehow should already contain some workaround for this
> case. (maybe it's a rare one and nobody hit it yet or maybe there are no
> userspaces using KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS for anything besides complaining --
> like QEMU).
> 
> I'd like KVM to be consistent across architectures and have the same
> (similar) meaning for KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS.

KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS seems pretty useless if we just want to tell userspace
the same thing it can get with _SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN. In fact, if userspace
knows something we don't about the future onlining of some pcpus, then
maybe userspace would prefer to check _SC_NPROCESSORS_CONF.

> 
> > which I'm keen on avoiding. I'd rather have the kvm and !kvm cases
> > return the same thing.
> 
> Forgive me my (ARM?) ignorance but what would it be then? If we go for
> min(num_online_cpus(), kvm_arm_default_max_vcpus()) in both cases, cat
> this can still go above KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS after vGIC is created?

So the GIC version case looks like the type of thing that could make
KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS useful, i.e. being able to tell userspace a maximum
number of vcpus supported for a given configuration. However, even
in that case the concept of "recommended" number doesn't make sense,
because, for the GICv2 example, a VM cannot configure more than 8 VCPUs,
so it's a real limit, not a recommendation. Maybe KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS should
just be left alone, but deprecated, and, if there's need, a new CAP could
be created for a config-vcpu-max.

Thanks,
drew


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From: Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
To: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Cc: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	Aleksandar Markovic <aleksandar.qemu.devel@gmail.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup.patel@wdc.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@ozlabs.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, kvm-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] KVM: arm64: Cap KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS by KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:38:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211112103851.pmb35qf5bvcukjmg@gator.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875ysxg0s1.fsf@redhat.com>

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:51:10AM +0100, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
> Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org> writes:
> 
> > Hi Vitaly,
> >
> > On 2021-11-11 16:27, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
> >> It doesn't make sense to return the recommended maximum number of
> >> vCPUs which exceeds the maximum possible number of vCPUs.
> >> 
> >> Signed-off-by: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
> >> ---
> >>  arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c | 7 ++++++-
> >>  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >> 
> >> diff --git a/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c b/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
> >> index 7838e9fb693e..391dc7a921d5 100644
> >> --- a/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
> >> +++ b/arch/arm64/kvm/arm.c
> >> @@ -223,7 +223,12 @@ int kvm_vm_ioctl_check_extension(struct kvm *kvm, 
> >> long ext)
> >>  		r = 1;
> >>  		break;
> >>  	case KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS:
> >> -		r = num_online_cpus();
> >> +		if (kvm)
> >> +			r = min_t(unsigned int, num_online_cpus(),
> >> +				  kvm->arch.max_vcpus);
> >> +		else
> >> +			r = min_t(unsigned int, num_online_cpus(),
> >> +				  kvm_arm_default_max_vcpus());
> >>  		break;
> >>  	case KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS:
> >>  	case KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPU_ID:
> >
> > This looks odd. This means that depending on the phase userspace is
> > in while initialising the VM, KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS can return one thing
> > or the other.
> >
> > For example, I create a VM on a 32 CPU system, NR_VCPUS says 32.
> > I create a GICv2 interrupt controller, it now says 8.
> >
> > That's a change in behaviour that is visible by userspace
> 
> Yes, I realize this is a userspace visible change. The reason I suggest
> it is that logically, it seems very odd that the maximum recommended
> number of vCPUs (KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS) can be higher, than the maximum
> supported number of vCPUs (KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS). All userspaces which use
> this information somehow should already contain some workaround for this
> case. (maybe it's a rare one and nobody hit it yet or maybe there are no
> userspaces using KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS for anything besides complaining --
> like QEMU).
> 
> I'd like KVM to be consistent across architectures and have the same
> (similar) meaning for KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS.

KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS seems pretty useless if we just want to tell userspace
the same thing it can get with _SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN. In fact, if userspace
knows something we don't about the future onlining of some pcpus, then
maybe userspace would prefer to check _SC_NPROCESSORS_CONF.

> 
> > which I'm keen on avoiding. I'd rather have the kvm and !kvm cases
> > return the same thing.
> 
> Forgive me my (ARM?) ignorance but what would it be then? If we go for
> min(num_online_cpus(), kvm_arm_default_max_vcpus()) in both cases, cat
> this can still go above KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS after vGIC is created?

So the GIC version case looks like the type of thing that could make
KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS useful, i.e. being able to tell userspace a maximum
number of vcpus supported for a given configuration. However, even
in that case the concept of "recommended" number doesn't make sense,
because, for the GICv2 example, a VM cannot configure more than 8 VCPUs,
so it's a real limit, not a recommendation. Maybe KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS should
just be left alone, but deprecated, and, if there's need, a new CAP could
be created for a config-vcpu-max.

Thanks,
drew

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-12 10:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-11 16:27 [PATCH 0/5] KVM: Cap KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS by KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS and re-purpose it on x86 Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27 ` [PATCH 1/5] KVM: arm64: Cap KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS by KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 19:36   ` Marc Zyngier
2021-11-11 19:36     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-11-12  9:51     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-12  9:51       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-12  9:51       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-12 10:38       ` Andrew Jones [this message]
2021-11-12 10:38         ` Andrew Jones
2021-11-12 10:38         ` Andrew Jones
2021-11-12 10:51         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-12 10:51           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-12 10:51           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-12 14:02       ` Marc Zyngier
2021-11-12 14:02         ` Marc Zyngier
2021-11-12 14:10         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-12 14:10           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-12 14:10           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-16 13:23           ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-16 13:23             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-16 13:23             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-16 15:50             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-16 15:50               ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-16 15:50               ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-16 15:55             ` Marc Zyngier
2021-11-16 15:55               ` Marc Zyngier
2021-11-16 15:58               ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-16 15:58                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-16 15:58                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-11 16:27 ` [PATCH 2/5] KVM: MIPS: " Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27 ` [PATCH 3/5] KVM: PPC: " Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27 ` [PATCH 4/5] KVM: RISC-V: " Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27 ` [PATCH 5/5] KVM: x86: Drop arbitraty KVM_SOFT_MAX_VCPUS Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:27   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-11 16:32 ` [PATCH 0/5] KVM: Cap KVM_CAP_NR_VCPUS by KVM_CAP_MAX_VCPUS and re-purpose it on x86 Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-11 16:32   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-11 16:32   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-15 12:16   ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-11-15 12:16     ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-11-15 12:16     ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-11-15 12:33   ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-11-15 12:33     ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-11-15 12:33     ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-11-15 16:04     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-15 16:04       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-15 16:04       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-11-16  8:15       ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-11-16  8:15         ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-11-16  8:15         ` Christian Borntraeger

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