From: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: "Matias Bjørling" <mb@lightnvm.io>,
"Remzi H. Arpaci-Dusseau" <remzi@cs.wisc.edu>
Cc: "Javier González" <javier@javigon.com>,
"Matias Bjorling" <Matias.Bjorling@wdc.com>,
"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
"Keith Busch" <Keith.Busch@wdc.com>,
"linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>,
"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
"Damien Le Moal" <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>,
"Sagi Grimberg" <sagi@grimberg.me>,
"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
"Hans Holmberg" <Hans.Holmberg@wdc.com>,
"Dmitry Fomichev" <Dmitry.Fomichev@wdc.com>,
"Ajay Joshi" <Ajay.Joshi@wdc.com>,
"Aravind Ramesh" <Aravind.Ramesh@wdc.com>,
"Niklas Cassel" <Niklas.Cassel@wdc.com>,
"Judy Brock" <judy.brock@samsung.com>,
"Adam Manzanares" <a.manzanares@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] nvme: support for zoned namespaces
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:11:50 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220302211150.ibyvunpathxjvi6t@garbanzo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1ab101ef-7b74-060f-c2bc-d4c36dec91f0@lightnvm.io>
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 09:23:05PM +0200, Matias Bjørling wrote:
> On 17/06/2020 21.09, Javier González wrote:
> > As you are well aware, there are some cases where append introduces
> > challenges. This is well-documented on the bibliography around nameless
> > writes.
>
> The nameless writes idea is vastly different from Zone append, and have
> little of the drawbacks of nameless writes, which makes the well-documented
> literature not apply.
Sorry for joining late to the party!
Just curious if we have any public information on analysis on the
differences between zone append and nameless writes?
If we don't then this sould seem to be new territory? I'd expect many
drawbacks might not be known yet. In new filesystem APIs we know all these
things will always creep up. Not that there couldn't be unexpected issues for
nameless writes once and if someone did try to add support for it in a real
OS. But if nameless writes is pretty much append, it gives me a good idea
where to expect some issues ahead of time.
Thanks!
Luis
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-02 21:14 UTC|newest]
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2020-06-15 23:34 [PATCH 0/5] nvme support for zoned namespace command set Keith Busch
2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 1/5] block: add capacity field to zone descriptors Keith Busch
2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-15 23:49 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-06-15 23:49 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-06-16 10:28 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 10:28 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 13:47 ` Daniel Wagner
2020-06-16 13:47 ` Daniel Wagner
2020-06-16 13:54 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-06-16 13:54 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-06-16 15:41 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-16 15:41 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 2/5] null_blk: introduce zone capacity for zoned device Keith Busch
2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-15 23:46 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-06-15 23:46 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-06-16 14:18 ` Daniel Wagner
2020-06-16 14:18 ` Daniel Wagner
2020-06-16 15:48 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-16 15:48 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 3/5] nvme: implement I/O Command Sets Command Set support Keith Busch
2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-16 10:33 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 10:33 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 17:14 ` Niklas Cassel
2020-06-16 17:14 ` Niklas Cassel
2020-06-16 15:58 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-16 15:58 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-16 17:01 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-16 17:01 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-17 9:50 ` Niklas Cassel
2020-06-17 9:50 ` Niklas Cassel
2020-06-16 17:06 ` Niklas Cassel
2020-06-16 17:06 ` Niklas Cassel
2020-06-17 2:01 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-17 2:01 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 4/5] nvme: support for multi-command set effects Keith Busch
2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-16 10:34 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 10:34 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 16:03 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-16 16:03 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 5/5] nvme: support for zoned namespaces Keith Busch
2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-16 10:41 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 10:41 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 11:18 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 11:18 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 12:00 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 12:00 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 12:06 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 12:06 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 12:24 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 12:24 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 12:27 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 12:27 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 12:35 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-16 12:35 ` Damien Le Moal
[not found] ` <CGME20200616130815uscas1p1be34e5fceaa548eac31fb30790a689d4@uscas1p1.samsung.com>
2020-06-16 13:08 ` Judy Brock
2020-06-16 13:08 ` Judy Brock
2020-06-16 13:32 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 13:32 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 13:34 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-16 13:34 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-16 14:16 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 14:16 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 14:42 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-16 14:42 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-16 15:02 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 15:02 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 15:20 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 15:20 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 16:03 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 16:03 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 16:07 ` Matias Bjorling
2020-06-16 16:07 ` Matias Bjorling
2020-06-16 16:21 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 16:21 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 16:25 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 16:25 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 15:48 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-16 15:48 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-16 15:55 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 15:55 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 16:04 ` Matias Bjorling
2020-06-16 16:04 ` Matias Bjorling
2020-06-16 16:07 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-16 16:07 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-16 16:13 ` Javier González
2020-06-16 16:13 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 0:38 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 0:38 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 6:18 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 6:18 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 6:54 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 6:54 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 7:11 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 7:11 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 7:29 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 7:29 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 7:34 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 7:34 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 0:14 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 0:14 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 6:09 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 6:09 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 6:47 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 6:47 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 7:02 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 7:02 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 7:24 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 7:24 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 7:29 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 7:29 ` Javier González
[not found] ` <CGME20200616123503uscas1p22ce22054a1b4152a20437b5abdd55119@uscas1p2.samsung.com>
2020-06-16 12:35 ` Judy Brock
2020-06-16 12:35 ` Judy Brock
2020-06-16 12:37 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-16 12:37 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-16 12:37 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 12:37 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-16 13:12 ` Judy Brock
2020-06-16 13:12 ` Judy Brock
2020-06-16 13:18 ` Judy Brock
2020-06-16 13:18 ` Judy Brock
2020-06-16 13:32 ` Judy Brock
2020-06-16 13:32 ` Judy Brock
2020-06-16 13:39 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-16 13:39 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-17 7:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-06-17 7:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-06-17 12:01 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-17 12:01 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-17 15:00 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 15:00 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 14:42 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 14:42 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 17:57 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-17 17:57 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-17 18:28 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 18:28 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 18:55 ` Matias Bjorling
2020-06-17 18:55 ` Matias Bjorling
2020-06-17 19:09 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 19:09 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 19:23 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-17 19:23 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-17 19:40 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 19:40 ` Javier González
2020-06-17 23:44 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-17 23:44 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-18 1:55 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-18 1:55 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-18 4:24 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-18 4:24 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-18 5:15 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-18 5:15 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-18 20:47 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-18 20:47 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-18 21:04 ` Matias Bjorling
2020-06-18 21:04 ` Matias Bjorling
2020-06-18 21:19 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-18 21:19 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-18 22:05 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-18 22:05 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-19 0:57 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-19 0:57 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-19 10:29 ` Matias Bjorling
2020-06-19 10:29 ` Matias Bjorling
2020-06-19 18:08 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-19 18:08 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-19 18:10 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-19 18:10 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-19 18:17 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-19 18:17 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-19 18:22 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-19 18:22 ` Keith Busch
2020-06-19 18:25 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-19 18:25 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-19 18:40 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-19 18:40 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-19 18:18 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-19 18:18 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-20 6:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-06-20 6:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-06-20 17:52 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-20 17:52 ` Heiner Litz
2020-06-22 14:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-02 21:11 ` Luis Chamberlain [this message]
2020-06-17 2:08 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-17 2:08 ` Martin K. Petersen
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