From: Heiner Litz <hlitz@ucsc.edu> To: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org> Cc: "Matias Bjorling" <Matias.Bjorling@wdc.com>, "Damien Le Moal" <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>, "Javier González" <javier@javigon.com>, "Matias Bjørling" <mb@lightnvm.io>, "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>, "Keith Busch" <Keith.Busch@wdc.com>, "linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>, "linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>, "Sagi Grimberg" <sagi@grimberg.me>, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>, "Hans Holmberg" <Hans.Holmberg@wdc.com>, "Dmitry Fomichev" <Dmitry.Fomichev@wdc.com>, "Ajay Joshi" <Ajay.Joshi@wdc.com>, "Aravind Ramesh" <Aravind.Ramesh@wdc.com>, "Niklas Cassel" <Niklas.Cassel@wdc.com>, "Judy Brock" <judy.brock@samsung.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] nvme: support for zoned namespaces Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:17:02 -0700 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CAJbgVnWru+wRRsJ4KB2DiVPRNfMV39uYNSCi2Y=6d+_GOQO8iw@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20200619181024.GA1284046@dhcp-10-100-145-180.wdl.wdc.com> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:08:26AM -0700, Heiner Litz wrote: > > Hi Matias, > > no, I am rather saying that the Linux kernel has a deficit or at least > > is not a good fit for ZNS because it cannot enforce in-order delivery. > > FYI, the nvme protocol can't even enforce in-order delivery, so calling > out linux for this is a moot point. How does it work in SPDK then? I had understood that SPDK supported QD>1 for ZNS devices. I am not saying that Linux is the only problem. The fact remains that out of order delivery is not a good fit for an interface that requires sequential writes. > > > The requirement of sequential writes basically imposes this > > requirement. Append essentially a Linux specific fix on the ZNS level > > and that enforcing ordering would be a cleaner way to enable QD>1.
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From: Heiner Litz <hlitz@ucsc.edu> To: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org> Cc: "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>, "Niklas Cassel" <Niklas.Cassel@wdc.com>, "Damien Le Moal" <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>, "Ajay Joshi" <Ajay.Joshi@wdc.com>, "Sagi Grimberg" <sagi@grimberg.me>, "Keith Busch" <Keith.Busch@wdc.com>, "Dmitry Fomichev" <Dmitry.Fomichev@wdc.com>, "Aravind Ramesh" <Aravind.Ramesh@wdc.com>, "Javier González" <javier@javigon.com>, "linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>, "linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>, "Hans Holmberg" <Hans.Holmberg@wdc.com>, "Matias Bjørling" <mb@lightnvm.io>, "Judy Brock" <judy.brock@samsung.com>, "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>, "Matias Bjorling" <Matias.Bjorling@wdc.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] nvme: support for zoned namespaces Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:17:02 -0700 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CAJbgVnWru+wRRsJ4KB2DiVPRNfMV39uYNSCi2Y=6d+_GOQO8iw@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20200619181024.GA1284046@dhcp-10-100-145-180.wdl.wdc.com> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:08:26AM -0700, Heiner Litz wrote: > > Hi Matias, > > no, I am rather saying that the Linux kernel has a deficit or at least > > is not a good fit for ZNS because it cannot enforce in-order delivery. > > FYI, the nvme protocol can't even enforce in-order delivery, so calling > out linux for this is a moot point. How does it work in SPDK then? I had understood that SPDK supported QD>1 for ZNS devices. I am not saying that Linux is the only problem. The fact remains that out of order delivery is not a good fit for an interface that requires sequential writes. > > > The requirement of sequential writes basically imposes this > > requirement. Append essentially a Linux specific fix on the ZNS level > > and that enforcing ordering would be a cleaner way to enable QD>1. _______________________________________________ linux-nvme mailing list linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-nvme
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-19 18:17 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2020-06-15 23:34 [PATCH 0/5] nvme support for zoned namespace command set Keith Busch 2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 1/5] block: add capacity field to zone descriptors Keith Busch 2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-15 23:49 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni 2020-06-15 23:49 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni 2020-06-16 10:28 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 10:28 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 13:47 ` Daniel Wagner 2020-06-16 13:47 ` Daniel Wagner 2020-06-16 13:54 ` Johannes Thumshirn 2020-06-16 13:54 ` Johannes Thumshirn 2020-06-16 15:41 ` Martin K. Petersen 2020-06-16 15:41 ` Martin K. Petersen 2020-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 2/5] null_blk: introduce zone capacity for zoned device Keith Busch 2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-15 23:46 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni 2020-06-15 23:46 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni 2020-06-16 14:18 ` Daniel Wagner 2020-06-16 14:18 ` Daniel Wagner 2020-06-16 15:48 ` Martin K. Petersen 2020-06-16 15:48 ` Martin K. Petersen 2020-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 3/5] nvme: implement I/O Command Sets Command Set support Keith Busch 2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-16 10:33 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 10:33 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 17:14 ` Niklas Cassel 2020-06-16 17:14 ` Niklas Cassel 2020-06-16 15:58 ` Martin K. Petersen 2020-06-16 15:58 ` Martin K. Petersen 2020-06-16 17:01 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-16 17:01 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-17 9:50 ` Niklas Cassel 2020-06-17 9:50 ` Niklas Cassel 2020-06-16 17:06 ` Niklas Cassel 2020-06-16 17:06 ` Niklas Cassel 2020-06-17 2:01 ` Martin K. Petersen 2020-06-17 2:01 ` Martin K. Petersen 2020-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 4/5] nvme: support for multi-command set effects Keith Busch 2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-16 10:34 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 10:34 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 16:03 ` Martin K. Petersen 2020-06-16 16:03 ` Martin K. Petersen 2020-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 5/5] nvme: support for zoned namespaces Keith Busch 2020-06-15 23:34 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-16 10:41 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 10:41 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 11:18 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 11:18 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 12:00 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 12:00 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 12:06 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 12:06 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 12:24 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 12:24 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 12:27 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 12:27 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 12:35 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-16 12:35 ` Damien Le Moal [not found] ` <CGME20200616130815uscas1p1be34e5fceaa548eac31fb30790a689d4@uscas1p1.samsung.com> 2020-06-16 13:08 ` Judy Brock 2020-06-16 13:08 ` Judy Brock 2020-06-16 13:32 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 13:32 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 13:34 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-16 13:34 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-16 14:16 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 14:16 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 14:42 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-16 14:42 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-16 15:02 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 15:02 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 15:20 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 15:20 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 16:03 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 16:03 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 16:07 ` Matias Bjorling 2020-06-16 16:07 ` Matias Bjorling 2020-06-16 16:21 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 16:21 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 16:25 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 16:25 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 15:48 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-16 15:48 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-16 15:55 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 15:55 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 16:04 ` Matias Bjorling 2020-06-16 16:04 ` Matias Bjorling 2020-06-16 16:07 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-16 16:07 ` Keith Busch 2020-06-16 16:13 ` Javier González 2020-06-16 16:13 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 0:38 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 0:38 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 6:18 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 6:18 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 6:54 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 6:54 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 7:11 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 7:11 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 7:29 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 7:29 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 7:34 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 7:34 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 0:14 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 0:14 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 6:09 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 6:09 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 6:47 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 6:47 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 7:02 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 7:02 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 7:24 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 7:24 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 7:29 ` Javier González 2020-06-17 7:29 ` Javier González [not found] ` <CGME20200616123503uscas1p22ce22054a1b4152a20437b5abdd55119@uscas1p2.samsung.com> 2020-06-16 12:35 ` Judy Brock 2020-06-16 12:35 ` Judy Brock 2020-06-16 12:37 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-16 12:37 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-16 12:37 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 12:37 ` Matias Bjørling 2020-06-16 13:12 ` Judy Brock 2020-06-16 13:12 ` Judy Brock 2020-06-16 13:18 ` Judy Brock 2020-06-16 13:18 ` Judy Brock 2020-06-16 13:32 ` Judy Brock 2020-06-16 13:32 ` Judy Brock 2020-06-16 13:39 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-16 13:39 ` Damien Le Moal 2020-06-17 7:43 ` Christoph Hellwig 2020-06-17 7:43 ` Christoph Hellwig 2020-06-17 12:01 ` Martin K. 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