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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	Christian Benvenuti <benve@cisco.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com>,
	"iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-s390@vger.kernel.org" <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Rosato <mjrosato@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Nelson Escobar <neescoba@cisco.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>,
	Suravee Suthikulpanit <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] iommu: Replace uses of IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY with dev_is_dma_coherent()
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 12:23:31 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220407152331.GN2120790@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fb55a025-348e-800c-e368-48be075d8e9c@arm.com>

On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 04:17:11PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:

> For the specific case of overriding PCIe No Snoop (which is more problematic
> from an Arm SMMU PoV) when assigning to a VM, would that not be easier
> solved by just having vfio-pci clear the "Enable No Snoop" control bit in
> the endpoint's PCIe capability?

Ideally.

That was rediscussed recently, apparently there are non-compliant
devices and drivers that just ignore the bit. 

Presumably this is why x86 had to move to an IOMMU enforced feature..

> That seems a pretty good summary - I think they're basically all "firmware
> told Linux I'm coherent so I'd better act coherent" cases, but that still
> doesn't necessarily mean that they're *forced* to respect that. One of the
> things on my to-do list is to try adding a DMA_ATTR_NO_SNOOP that can force
> DMA cache maintenance for coherent devices, primarily to hook up in Panfrost
> (where there is a bit of a performance to claw back on the coherent AmLogic
> SoCs by leaving certain buffers non-cacheable).

It would be great to see that in a way that could bring in the few other
GPU drivers doing no-snoop to a formal DMA API instead of hacking
their own stuff with wbinvd calls or whatever.

Thanks,
Jason

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jason Gunthorpe via iommu <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: Nelson Escobar <neescoba@cisco.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	"linux-s390@vger.kernel.org" <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Benvenuti <benve@cisco.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] iommu: Replace uses of IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY with dev_is_dma_coherent()
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 12:23:31 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220407152331.GN2120790@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fb55a025-348e-800c-e368-48be075d8e9c@arm.com>

On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 04:17:11PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:

> For the specific case of overriding PCIe No Snoop (which is more problematic
> from an Arm SMMU PoV) when assigning to a VM, would that not be easier
> solved by just having vfio-pci clear the "Enable No Snoop" control bit in
> the endpoint's PCIe capability?

Ideally.

That was rediscussed recently, apparently there are non-compliant
devices and drivers that just ignore the bit. 

Presumably this is why x86 had to move to an IOMMU enforced feature..

> That seems a pretty good summary - I think they're basically all "firmware
> told Linux I'm coherent so I'd better act coherent" cases, but that still
> doesn't necessarily mean that they're *forced* to respect that. One of the
> things on my to-do list is to try adding a DMA_ATTR_NO_SNOOP that can force
> DMA cache maintenance for coherent devices, primarily to hook up in Panfrost
> (where there is a bit of a performance to claw back on the coherent AmLogic
> SoCs by leaving certain buffers non-cacheable).

It would be great to see that in a way that could bring in the few other
GPU drivers doing no-snoop to a formal DMA API instead of hacking
their own stuff with wbinvd calls or whatever.

Thanks,
Jason
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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	Christian Benvenuti <benve@cisco.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com>,
	"iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	 "linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-s390@vger.kernel.org" <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Rosato <mjrosato@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Nelson Escobar <neescoba@cisco.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>,
	Suravee Suthikulpanit <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] iommu: Replace uses of IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY with dev_is_dma_coherent()
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 12:23:31 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220407152331.GN2120790@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fb55a025-348e-800c-e368-48be075d8e9c@arm.com>

On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 04:17:11PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:

> For the specific case of overriding PCIe No Snoop (which is more problematic
> from an Arm SMMU PoV) when assigning to a VM, would that not be easier
> solved by just having vfio-pci clear the "Enable No Snoop" control bit in
> the endpoint's PCIe capability?

Ideally.

That was rediscussed recently, apparently there are non-compliant
devices and drivers that just ignore the bit. 

Presumably this is why x86 had to move to an IOMMU enforced feature..

> That seems a pretty good summary - I think they're basically all "firmware
> told Linux I'm coherent so I'd better act coherent" cases, but that still
> doesn't necessarily mean that they're *forced* to respect that. One of the
> things on my to-do list is to try adding a DMA_ATTR_NO_SNOOP that can force
> DMA cache maintenance for coherent devices, primarily to hook up in Panfrost
> (where there is a bit of a performance to claw back on the coherent AmLogic
> SoCs by leaving certain buffers non-cacheable).

It would be great to see that in a way that could bring in the few other
GPU drivers doing no-snoop to a formal DMA API instead of hacking
their own stuff with wbinvd calls or whatever.

Thanks,
Jason

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-07 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-05 16:15 [PATCH 0/5] Make the iommu driver no-snoop block feature consistent Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-05 16:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 16:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 16:16 ` [PATCH 1/5] iommu: Replace uses of IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY with dev_is_dma_coherent() Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-05 16:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 16:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06  5:30   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06  5:30     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06  5:30     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06  5:30     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 12:07     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-06 12:07       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 12:07       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 13:51       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 13:51         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 13:51         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 13:51         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 14:14         ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-06 14:14           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 14:14           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 15:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 15:47             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 15:47             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 15:47             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 15:48             ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-06 15:48               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 15:48               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 15:48           ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-06 15:48             ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-06 15:48             ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-06 15:48             ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-06 13:56   ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-06 13:56     ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-06 13:56     ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-06 13:56     ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-06 14:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-06 14:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 14:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 15:18       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-06 15:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 15:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 15:50         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 15:50           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 15:50           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 15:50           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 16:06           ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-06 16:06             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 16:06             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 16:10             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 16:10               ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 16:10               ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 16:10               ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-06 17:17               ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-06 17:17                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 17:17                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-07  7:18                 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-07  7:18                   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-07  7:18                   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-07  7:18                   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-07 13:59                   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-07 13:59                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-07 13:59                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-07 15:17                     ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-07 15:17                       ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-07 15:17                       ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-07 15:17                       ` Robin Murphy
2022-04-07 15:23                       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2022-04-07 15:23                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-07 15:23                         ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-07 22:37                         ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-07 22:37                           ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-07 22:37                           ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-07 22:37                           ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-07 15:31                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-07 15:31                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-07 15:31                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-07 15:31                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-07  8:53                 ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-07  8:53                   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-07  8:53                   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-05 16:16 ` [PATCH 2/5] vfio: Require that devices support DMA cache coherence Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-05 16:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 16:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 19:10   ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-05 19:10     ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-05 19:10     ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-05 19:10     ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-05 19:29     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-05 19:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 19:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06  7:02       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  7:02         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  7:02         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  7:02         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-07 14:53         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-07 14:53           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-07 14:53           ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-05 16:16 ` [PATCH 3/5] iommu: Introduce the domain op enforce_cache_coherency() Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-05 16:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 16:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 19:50   ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-05 19:50     ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-05 19:50     ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-05 19:50     ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-05 22:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-05 22:57       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 22:57       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 23:31       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-05 23:31         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-05 23:31         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-05 23:31         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  0:08       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  0:08         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  0:08         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  0:08         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  7:09   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  7:09     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  7:09     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  7:09     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06 12:27     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-06 12:27       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06 12:27       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 16:16 ` [PATCH 4/5] vfio: Move the Intel no-snoop control off of IOMMU_CACHE Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-05 16:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 16:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 16:16 ` [PATCH 5/5] iommu: Delete IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-05 16:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-05 16:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-06  6:52 ` [PATCH 0/5] Make the iommu driver no-snoop block feature consistent Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  6:52   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  6:52   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-06  6:52   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-07 14:56   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-07 14:56     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-07 14:56     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu

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