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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
	KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	mie@igel.co.jp
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] virtio: last minute fixup
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 03:13:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220511030407-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgAk3NEJ2PHtb0jXzCUOGytiHLq=rzjkFKfpiuH-SROgA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 04:50:47PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:12 PM Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > For what it's worth, as someone who is frequently tracking down and
> > reporting issues, a link to the mailing list post in the commit message
> > makes it much easier to get these reports into the right hands, as the
> > original posting is going to have all relevant parties in one location
> > and it will usually have all the context necessary to triage the
> > problem.
> 
> Honestly, I think such a thing would be trivial to automate with
> something like just a patch-id lookup, rather than a "Link:".
> 
> And such a lookup model ("where was this patch posted") would work for
> <i>any</i> patch (and often also find previous unmodified versions of
> it when it has been posted multiple times).
> 
> I suspect that most of the building blocks of such automation
> effectively already exists, since I think the lore infrastructure
> already integrates with patchwork, and patchwork already has a "look
> up by patch id".
> 
> Wouldn't it be cool if you had some webby interface to just go from
> commit SHA1 to patch ID to a lore.kernel.org lookup of where said
> patch was done?

Yes, that would be cool!

> Of course, I personally tend to just search by the commit contents
> instead, which works just about as well. If the first line of the
> commit isn't very unique, add a "f:author" to the search.
>
> IOW, I really don't find much value in the "Link to original
> submission", because that thing is *already* trivial to find, and the
> lore search is actually better in many ways (it also tends to find
> people *reporting* that commit, which is often what you really want -
> the reason you're doing the search is that there's something going on
> with it).
> 
> My argument here really is that "find where this commit was posted" is
> 
>  (a) not generally the most interesting thing
> 
>  (b) doesn't even need that "Link:" line.
> 
> but what *is* interesting, and where the "Link:" line is very useful,
> is finding where the original problem that *caused* that patch to be
> posted in the first place.
> 
> Yes, obviously you can find that original problem by searching too if
> the commit message has enough other information.
> 
> For example, if there is an oops quoted in the commit message, I have
> personally searched for parts of that kind of information to find the
> original report and discussion.
> 
> So that whole "searching is often an option" is true for pretty much
> _any_ Link:, but I think that for the whole "original submission" it's
> so mindless and can be automated that it really doesn't add much real
> value at all.
> 
>                 Linus

For me a problematic use-case is multiple versions of the patchset.
So I have a tree and I apply a patchset, start testing etc. Meanwhile author
posts another version. At that point I want to know which version
did I apply. Since people put that within [] in the subject, it
gets stripped off.

Thinking about it some more, how about sticking a link to the *cover
letter* in the commit, instead?  That would serve an extra useful purpose of
being able to figure out which patches are part of the same patchset.
And maybe Change "Link:" to "Patchset:" or "Cover-letter:"?

-- 
MST


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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	mie@igel.co.jp,
	Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] virtio: last minute fixup
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 03:13:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220511030407-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgAk3NEJ2PHtb0jXzCUOGytiHLq=rzjkFKfpiuH-SROgA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 04:50:47PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:12 PM Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > For what it's worth, as someone who is frequently tracking down and
> > reporting issues, a link to the mailing list post in the commit message
> > makes it much easier to get these reports into the right hands, as the
> > original posting is going to have all relevant parties in one location
> > and it will usually have all the context necessary to triage the
> > problem.
> 
> Honestly, I think such a thing would be trivial to automate with
> something like just a patch-id lookup, rather than a "Link:".
> 
> And such a lookup model ("where was this patch posted") would work for
> <i>any</i> patch (and often also find previous unmodified versions of
> it when it has been posted multiple times).
> 
> I suspect that most of the building blocks of such automation
> effectively already exists, since I think the lore infrastructure
> already integrates with patchwork, and patchwork already has a "look
> up by patch id".
> 
> Wouldn't it be cool if you had some webby interface to just go from
> commit SHA1 to patch ID to a lore.kernel.org lookup of where said
> patch was done?

Yes, that would be cool!

> Of course, I personally tend to just search by the commit contents
> instead, which works just about as well. If the first line of the
> commit isn't very unique, add a "f:author" to the search.
>
> IOW, I really don't find much value in the "Link to original
> submission", because that thing is *already* trivial to find, and the
> lore search is actually better in many ways (it also tends to find
> people *reporting* that commit, which is often what you really want -
> the reason you're doing the search is that there's something going on
> with it).
> 
> My argument here really is that "find where this commit was posted" is
> 
>  (a) not generally the most interesting thing
> 
>  (b) doesn't even need that "Link:" line.
> 
> but what *is* interesting, and where the "Link:" line is very useful,
> is finding where the original problem that *caused* that patch to be
> posted in the first place.
> 
> Yes, obviously you can find that original problem by searching too if
> the commit message has enough other information.
> 
> For example, if there is an oops quoted in the commit message, I have
> personally searched for parts of that kind of information to find the
> original report and discussion.
> 
> So that whole "searching is often an option" is true for pretty much
> _any_ Link:, but I think that for the whole "original submission" it's
> so mindless and can be automated that it really doesn't add much real
> value at all.
> 
>                 Linus

For me a problematic use-case is multiple versions of the patchset.
So I have a tree and I apply a patchset, start testing etc. Meanwhile author
posts another version. At that point I want to know which version
did I apply. Since people put that within [] in the subject, it
gets stripped off.

Thinking about it some more, how about sticking a link to the *cover
letter* in the commit, instead?  That would serve an extra useful purpose of
being able to figure out which patches are part of the same patchset.
And maybe Change "Link:" to "Patchset:" or "Cover-letter:"?

-- 
MST

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Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-10 12:23 [GIT PULL] virtio: last minute fixup Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-10 12:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-10 18:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-10 18:23   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-10 23:12   ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-05-10 23:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-10 23:50       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-11  7:13       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2022-05-11  7:13         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-11 12:51       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-05-11 13:40         ` Michael Ellerman
2022-05-11 13:40           ` Michael Ellerman
2022-05-11 16:31           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-05-12  2:07             ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-05-12  2:07               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-05-11 17:35       ` Dave Taht
2022-05-11  6:22   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-11  6:22     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-11 10:12   ` Michael Ellerman
2022-05-11 10:12     ` Michael Ellerman
2022-05-11 16:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-11 16:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-12 13:30       ` Michael Ellerman
2022-05-12 13:30         ` Michael Ellerman
2022-05-12 17:10         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-12 17:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-12 17:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-12 17:19             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-13 14:14             ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-05-13 14:14               ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-05-13 17:00               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-05-16  9:03           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-16  9:03             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-11 12:24   ` Jörg Rödel
2022-05-11 12:24     ` Jörg Rödel
2022-05-13 12:16     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-13 12:16       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-10 18:31 ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-05-10 18:31   ` pr-tracker-bot

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