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From: Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>
To: Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/8] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:17:47 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220601101747.GA1255243@chaop.bj.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGtprH8EMsPMMoOEzjRu0SMVKT0RqmkLk=n+6uXkBA6-wiRtUA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:15:00PM -0700, Vishal Annapurve wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:41 AM Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > Introduce a new memfd_create() flag indicating the content of the
> > created memfd is inaccessible from userspace through ordinary MMU
> > access (e.g., read/write/mmap). However, the file content can be
> > accessed via a different mechanism (e.g. KVM MMU) indirectly.
> >
> 
> SEV, TDX, pkvm and software-only VMs seem to have usecases to set up
> initial guest boot memory with the needed blobs.
> TDX already supports a KVM IOCTL to transfer contents to private
> memory using the TDX module but rest of the implementations will need
> to invent
> a way to do this.

There are some discussions in https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/5/9/1292
already. I somehow agree with Sean. TDX is using an dedicated ioctl to
copy guest boot memory to private fd so the rest can do that similarly.
The concern is the performance (extra memcpy) but it's trivial since the
initial guest payload is usually optimized in size.

> 
> Is there a plan to support a common implementation for either allowing
> initial write access from userspace to private fd or adding a KVM
> IOCTL to transfer contents to such a file,
> as part of this series through future revisions?

Indeed, adding pre-boot private memory populating on current design
isn't impossible, but there are still some opens, e.g. how to expose
private fd to userspace for access, pKVM and CC usages may have
different requirements. Before that's well-studied I would tend to not
add that and instead use an ioctl to copy. Whether we need a generic
ioctl or feature-specific ioctl, I don't have strong opinion here.
Current TDX uses a feature-specific ioctl so it's not covered in this
series.

Chao
> 
> Regards,
> Vishal

  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-01 10:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-19 15:37 [PATCH v6 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 1/8] mm: Introduce memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 2/8] mm/shmem: Support memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 3/8] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-05-31 19:15   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-01 10:17     ` Chao Peng [this message]
2022-06-01 12:11       ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-06-02 10:07         ` Chao Peng
2022-06-14 20:23           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-15  8:53             ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 4/8] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory Chao Peng
2022-05-20 17:57   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-05-20 18:31     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-22  4:03       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-05-23 13:21       ` Chao Peng
2022-05-23 15:22         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-30 13:26           ` Chao Peng
2022-06-10 16:14             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-14  6:45               ` Chao Peng
2022-06-23 22:59       ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24  8:54         ` Chao Peng
2022-06-24 13:01           ` Michael Roth
2022-06-17 20:52   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-17 21:27     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-20 14:09       ` Chao Peng
2022-06-20 14:08     ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 5/8] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT exit Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 6/8] KVM: Handle page fault for private memory Chao Peng
2022-06-17 21:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-20 14:16     ` Chao Peng
2022-08-19  0:40     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-25 23:43       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-24  3:58   ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2022-06-24  9:02     ` Chao Peng
2022-06-30 19:14       ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-30 22:21         ` Michael Roth
2022-07-01  1:21           ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-07-07 20:08             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-08  3:29               ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-07-20 23:08                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-07-21  9:45                   ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 7/8] KVM: Enable and expose KVM_MEM_PRIVATE Chao Peng
2022-06-23 22:07   ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24  8:43     ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 8/8] memfd_create.2: Describe MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v6 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-07  6:57   ` Chao Peng
2022-06-08  0:55     ` Marc Orr
2022-06-08  2:18       ` Chao Peng
2022-06-08 19:37         ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-09 20:29           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-14  7:28             ` Chao Peng
2022-06-14 17:37               ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-06-14 19:08                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-14 20:59                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-06-15  9:17                     ` Chao Peng
2022-06-15 14:29                       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-10  0:11         ` Marc Orr

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