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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/16] iommu/fsl: use page allocation function provided by iommu-pages.h
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:50:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231128235037.GC1312390@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bCOtwZxTUS60PHOQ3szXdCzau7OpopgFEbbC6a9Frxafg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 06:00:13PM -0500, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:53 PM Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 2023-11-28 8:49 pm, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> > > Convert iommu/fsl_pamu.c to use the new page allocation functions
> > > provided in iommu-pages.h.
> >
> > Again, this is not a pagetable. This thing doesn't even *have* pagetables.
> >
> > Similar to patches #1 and #2 where you're lumping in configuration
> > tables which belong to the IOMMU driver itself, as opposed to pagetables
> > which effectively belong to an IOMMU domain's user. But then there are
> > still drivers where you're *not* accounting similar configuration
> > structures, so I really struggle to see how this metric is useful when
> > it's so completely inconsistent in what it's counting :/
> 
> The whole IOMMU subsystem allocates a significant amount of kernel
> locked memory that we want to at least observe. The new field in
> vmstat does just that: it reports ALL buddy allocator memory that
> IOMMU allocates. However, for accounting purposes, I agree, we need to
> do better, and separate at least iommu pagetables from the rest.
> 
> We can separate the metric into two:
> iommu pagetable only
> iommu everything
> 
> or into three:
> iommu pagetable only
> iommu dma
> iommu everything
> 
> What do you think?

I think I said this at LPC - if you want to have fine grained
accounting of memory by owner you need to go talk to the cgroup people
and come up with something generic. Adding ever open coded finer
category breakdowns just for iommu doesn't make alot of sense.

You can make some argument that the pagetable memory should be counted
because kvm counts it's shadow memory, but I wouldn't go into further
detail than that with hand coded counters..

Jason

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
Cc: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, alex.williamson@redhat.com,
	alim.akhtar@samsung.com, alyssa@rosenzweig.io,
	asahi@lists.linux.dev, baolu.lu@linux.intel.com,
	bhelgaas@google.com, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net,
	david@redhat.com, dwmw2@infradead.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	heiko@sntech.de, iommu@lists.linux.dev, jasowang@redhat.com,
	jernej.skrabec@gmail.com, jonathanh@nvidia.com, joro@8bytes.org,
	kevin.tian@intel.com, krzysztof.kozlowski@linaro.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org, linux-sunxi@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, lizefan.x@bytedance.com,
	marcan@marcan.st, mhiramat@kernel.org, mst@redhat.com,
	m.szyprowski@samsung.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	paulmck@kernel.org, rdunlap@infradead.org, samuel@sholland.org,
	suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com, sven@svenpeter.dev,
	thierry.reding@gmail.com, tj@kernel.org,
	tomas.mudrunka@gmail.com, vdumpa@nvidia.com,
	virtualization@lists.linux.dev, wens@csie.org, will@kernel.org,
	yu-cheng.yu@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/16] iommu/fsl: use page allocation function provided by iommu-pages.h
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:50:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231128235037.GC1312390@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bCOtwZxTUS60PHOQ3szXdCzau7OpopgFEbbC6a9Frxafg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 06:00:13PM -0500, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:53 PM Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 2023-11-28 8:49 pm, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> > > Convert iommu/fsl_pamu.c to use the new page allocation functions
> > > provided in iommu-pages.h.
> >
> > Again, this is not a pagetable. This thing doesn't even *have* pagetables.
> >
> > Similar to patches #1 and #2 where you're lumping in configuration
> > tables which belong to the IOMMU driver itself, as opposed to pagetables
> > which effectively belong to an IOMMU domain's user. But then there are
> > still drivers where you're *not* accounting similar configuration
> > structures, so I really struggle to see how this metric is useful when
> > it's so completely inconsistent in what it's counting :/
> 
> The whole IOMMU subsystem allocates a significant amount of kernel
> locked memory that we want to at least observe. The new field in
> vmstat does just that: it reports ALL buddy allocator memory that
> IOMMU allocates. However, for accounting purposes, I agree, we need to
> do better, and separate at least iommu pagetables from the rest.
> 
> We can separate the metric into two:
> iommu pagetable only
> iommu everything
> 
> or into three:
> iommu pagetable only
> iommu dma
> iommu everything
> 
> What do you think?

I think I said this at LPC - if you want to have fine grained
accounting of memory by owner you need to go talk to the cgroup people
and come up with something generic. Adding ever open coded finer
category breakdowns just for iommu doesn't make alot of sense.

You can make some argument that the pagetable memory should be counted
because kvm counts it's shadow memory, but I wouldn't go into further
detail than that with hand coded counters..

Jason

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-28 23:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-28 20:49 [PATCH 00/16] IOMMU memory observability Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 01/16] iommu/vt-d: add wrapper functions for page allocations Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 02/16] iommu/amd: use page allocation function provided by iommu-pages.h Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 03/16] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 04/16] iommu/io-pgtable-dart: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-29  7:49   ` Janne Grunau
2023-11-29  7:49     ` Janne Grunau
2023-11-29 21:49     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-29 21:49       ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 05/16] iommu/io-pgtable-arm-v7s: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 22:46   ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-28 22:46     ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-28 22:55     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 22:55       ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 23:07       ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-28 23:07         ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-28 23:32         ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 23:32           ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 06/16] iommu/dma: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 22:33   ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-28 22:33     ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-28 22:50     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 22:50       ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 22:59       ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-28 22:59         ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-28 23:06         ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 23:06           ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 23:08         ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 23:08           ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 07/16] iommu/exynos: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 08/16] iommu/fsl: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 22:53   ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-28 22:53     ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-28 23:00     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 23:00       ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 23:50       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2023-11-28 23:50         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-29 16:48         ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-29 16:48           ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-29 19:45           ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-29 19:45             ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-29 20:03             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-29 20:03               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-29 20:44               ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-29 20:44                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 09/16] iommu/iommufd: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 23:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-28 23:52     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-29 21:59     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-29 21:59       ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-30  0:02       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-30  0:02         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 10/16] iommu/rockchip: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 11/16] iommu/sun50i: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 12/16] iommu/tegra-smmu: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 13/16] iommu: observability of the IOMMU allocations Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-30 14:03   ` kernel test robot
2023-11-30 14:03     ` kernel test robot
2023-11-30 14:03     ` kernel test robot
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 14/16] iommu: account IOMMU allocated memory Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 15/16] vhost-vdpa: account iommu allocations Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-25 16:09   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-25 16:09     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-26 18:23     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-26 18:23       ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49 ` [PATCH 16/16] vfio: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 20:49   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 23:53   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-28 23:53     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-29 21:36     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-29 21:36       ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 21:33 ` [PATCH 00/16] IOMMU memory observability Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-28 21:33   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-28 22:31   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 22:31     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-28 23:03     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-28 23:03       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-28 23:52       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-28 23:52         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-29  0:25         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-29  0:25           ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-29  0:28           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-29  0:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-29  0:30             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-29  0:30               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-29  0:54               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-29  0:54                 ` Jason Gunthorpe

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