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From: "Reshetova, Elena" <elena.reshetova@intel.com>
To: "'Peter Zijlstra'" <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "'Thomas Gleixner'" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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Subject: RE: [PATCH 14/15] futex: convert futex_pi_state.refcount to refcount_t
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:03:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2236FBA76BA1254E88B949DDB74E612B802B3903@IRSMSX102.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2236FBA76BA1254E88B949DDB74E612B6FF6A282@IRSMSX102.ger.corp.intel.com>

Since I am not really sure what to do with this futex patch, I will drop it
from the new series that I am about to send now. 

Please let me know what exactly should I do with this patch, as I wrote 
previously I really don't understand. 

Best Regards,
Elena.

> Sorry for delayed reply.
> 
> > On Mon, Sep 04, 2017 at 10:31:54AM +0000, Reshetova, Elena wrote:
> > > > > But can they make "fast" implementation on ARM that would give stronger
> > > > > memory guarantees?
> > > >
> > > > Whatever for?
> > >
> > > Well, maybe just by default when arch.-specific implementation is
> > > done. But I was just trying to speculate to understand. I will resend
> > > this one with new comment added.
> >
> > So the generic lib/refcount.c already has weak ordering. It doesn't make
> > sense for an arch specific implementation (on a weakly ordered machine)
> > to provide stronger guarantees (it would make things slower).
> 
> Thank you for explaining this! Helps to understand a lot.
> >
> > The weaker ordering of the refcount_t primitives is sufficient if we're
> > talking pure refcounts. If for some reason code relies on stronger
> > ordering there _SHOULD_ be a comment with describing the additional
> > ordering requirements.
> >
> > But that's a fairly big 'should'. I can well imagine the comment not
> > being there. In fact, see below.
> >
> > > Still not sure if I need to resend the whole series with updated
> > > commits or break this up by individual patches further for the
> > > separate merges.
> >
> > I've yet to look at the ones targeted at subsystems I do, I'm forever
> > and terminally behind on review :/
> >
> > I called out the issue on futex in particular because it is fairly
> > tricky code that.
> >
> > Now Thomas would like you to mention the fact that refcount_t doesn't
> > provide the exact same ordering as the atomic_t usages it replaces and
> > I think it would be good if you could hand-wave an argument on why the
> > futex code doesn't care.
> 
> I think I can mention the ordering differences on all yet-to-be-merged
> patches to make sure maintainers are aware. The problem with concrete
> cases is that I don't usually have enough knowledge of code to understand
> for sure where it would matter or not. Previously I was even under impression
> that it should not matter at all for the variables that we are converting since
> they are classical refcounters, but your examples clearly show that it is not
> *always* the case (but I think it is the case for most of patches).
> So, I am a bit confused on how to approach this.
> Either just put a statement to all patches and rely that maintainers certainly
> know their code and can catch these things or do an analysis myself, but
> then I would need a bit of guidance on what is the reasonable heuristics on
> how check each refcounter. This goes really beyond my current
> kernel knowledge, but I am happy to learn if somebody points me to smth
> I can read/fill missing points.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Elena.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Now, suppose we were to convert i_count to refcount_t (yes, I know, my
> > initial conversion wasn't well received), then we need to add
> > futex_get_inode() similar to futex_get_mm().
> >
> > That is, smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic() works as expected and can be
> > used to fortify the implied barriers by refcount_t.
> >
> > ---
> > Subject: fs,inode: Add comment explaining additional ordering
> >
> > Add a note to ihold() to document the ordering futex relies upon.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@infradead.org>
> > ---
> >  fs/inode.c | 4 ++++
> >  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/fs/inode.c b/fs/inode.c
> > index 50370599e371..17192ba92fef 100644
> > --- a/fs/inode.c
> > +++ b/fs/inode.c
> > @@ -395,6 +395,10 @@ void __iget(struct inode *inode)
> >   */
> >  void ihold(struct inode *inode)
> >  {
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Note: futex.c:get_futex_key_refs() relies on this function
> > +	 * implying an smp_mb().
> > +	 */
> >  	WARN_ON(atomic_inc_return(&inode->i_count) < 2);
> >  }
> >  EXPORT_SYMBOL(ihold);

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-20 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-30 12:22 [PATCH 00/15] v5 kernel core pieces refcount conversions Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 01/15] sched: convert sighand_struct.count to refcount_t Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 02/15] sched: convert signal_struct.sigcnt " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 03/15] sched: convert user_struct.__count " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 04/15] sched: convert numa_group.refcount " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 05/15] sched/task_struct: convert task_struct.usage " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 06/15] sched/task_struct: convert task_struct.stack_refcount " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 07/15] perf: convert perf_event_context.refcount " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 08/15] perf/ring_buffer: convert ring_buffer.refcount " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 09/15] perf/ring_buffer: convert ring_buffer.aux_refcount " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 10/15] uprobes: convert uprobe.ref " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 11/15] nsproxy: convert nsproxy.count " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 12/15] groups: convert group_info.usage " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 13/15] creds: convert cred.usage " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 14/15] futex: convert futex_pi_state.refcount " Elena Reshetova
2017-09-01  7:39   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-01  9:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-01  9:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-01 10:52         ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-01 10:52           ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-01 11:05         ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-01 11:05           ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-01 12:34           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-01 12:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-01 13:24             ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-01 13:24               ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-01 13:36               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-01 13:36                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-01 17:03                 ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-01 17:03                   ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-01 19:12                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-01 19:12                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-04 10:31                     ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-04 10:31                       ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-04 12:00                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-04 12:00                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-14 16:02                         ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-09-14 16:02                           ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-10-20 12:03                           ` Reshetova, Elena [this message]
2017-10-20 12:03                             ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-10-20 12:30                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-10-20 12:30                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-10-23  7:36                               ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-10-23  7:36                                 ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-08-30 12:22 ` [PATCH 15/15] kcov: convert kcov.refcount " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-31 23:48 ` [PATCH 00/15] v5 kernel core pieces refcount conversions Kees Cook
2017-09-01  9:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-01 16:55     ` Kees Cook
2017-09-01 17:08       ` Reshetova, Elena
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-08-25  9:41 [PATCH 00/15] v4 " Elena Reshetova
2017-08-25  9:41 ` [PATCH 14/15] futex: convert futex_pi_state.refcount to refcount_t Elena Reshetova
2017-07-18 10:29 [PATCH 00/15] v4 kernel core pieces refcount conversions Elena Reshetova
2017-07-18 10:30 ` [PATCH 14/15] futex: convert futex_pi_state.refcount to refcount_t Elena Reshetova

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