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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
To: Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, cmm@us.ibm.com, cluster-devel@redhat.com,
	ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] fs: add hole punching to fallocate
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 03:30:40 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23A45B17-C23C-45DA-8C51-1CF315C851E2@dilger.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101117023456.GD5618@dhcp231-156.rdu.redhat.com>

On 2010-11-16, at 20:34, Josef Bacik wrote:
> FWIW I agree with Dave, the only question at this point is do we force users to specify KEEP_SIZE with PUNCH_HOLE?  On one hand it makes the interface a bit more consistent, on the other hand it makes the documentation a little weird
> 
> "We have mode here, but if you want to use PUNCH_HOLE you also have to specify KEEP_SIZE, so really it's like a flags field it's just named poorly"

Even if this is the case, and we decide today that PUNCH_HOLE without KEEP_SIZE is not desirable to implement, it would be better to just return -EOPNOTSUPP if both flags are not set than assume one or the other is what the user wanted.  That allows the ability to implement this in the future without breaking every application, while if it is assumed that KEEP_SIZE is always implicit there will never be a way to add that functionality without something awful like a separate CHANGE_SIZE flag for PUNCH_HOLE.

One option is to define FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE as 0x3 (so that KEEP_SIZE is always passed) and in the future we can define some new flag name like TRUNCATE_HOLE (or whatever) that is 0x2 only.

Cheers, Andreas






WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
To: Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
	cluster-devel@redhat.com, cmm@us.ibm.com,
	ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] fs: add hole punching to fallocate
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 03:30:40 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23A45B17-C23C-45DA-8C51-1CF315C851E2@dilger.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101117023456.GD5618@dhcp231-156.rdu.redhat.com>

On 2010-11-16, at 20:34, Josef Bacik wrote:
> FWIW I agree with Dave, the only question at this point is do we force users to specify KEEP_SIZE with PUNCH_HOLE?  On one hand it makes the interface a bit more consistent, on the other hand it makes the documentation a little weird
> 
> "We have mode here, but if you want to use PUNCH_HOLE you also have to specify KEEP_SIZE, so really it's like a flags field it's just named poorly"

Even if this is the case, and we decide today that PUNCH_HOLE without KEEP_SIZE is not desirable to implement, it would be better to just return -EOPNOTSUPP if both flags are not set than assume one or the other is what the user wanted.  That allows the ability to implement this in the future without breaking every application, while if it is assumed that KEEP_SIZE is always implicit there will never be a way to add that functionality without something awful like a separate CHANGE_SIZE flag for PUNCH_HOLE.

One option is to define FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE as 0x3 (so that KEEP_SIZE is always passed) and in the future we can define some new flag name like TRUNCATE_HOLE (or whatever) that is 0x2 only.

Cheers, Andreas





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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
To: Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, cmm@us.ibm.com, cluster-devel@redhat.com,
	ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com
Subject: [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH 1/6] fs: add hole punching to fallocate
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:30:45 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23A45B17-C23C-45DA-8C51-1CF315C851E2@dilger.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101117023456.GD5618@dhcp231-156.rdu.redhat.com>

On 2010-11-16, at 20:34, Josef Bacik wrote:
> FWIW I agree with Dave, the only question at this point is do we force users to specify KEEP_SIZE with PUNCH_HOLE?  On one hand it makes the interface a bit more consistent, on the other hand it makes the documentation a little weird
> 
> "We have mode here, but if you want to use PUNCH_HOLE you also have to specify KEEP_SIZE, so really it's like a flags field it's just named poorly"

Even if this is the case, and we decide today that PUNCH_HOLE without KEEP_SIZE is not desirable to implement, it would be better to just return -EOPNOTSUPP if both flags are not set than assume one or the other is what the user wanted.  That allows the ability to implement this in the future without breaking every application, while if it is assumed that KEEP_SIZE is always implicit there will never be a way to add that functionality without something awful like a separate CHANGE_SIZE flag for PUNCH_HOLE.

One option is to define FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE as 0x3 (so that KEEP_SIZE is always passed) and in the future we can define some new flag name like TRUNCATE_HOLE (or whatever) that is 0x2 only.

Cheers, Andreas

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-17  9:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-15 17:05 Hole Punching V2 Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:14 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05 ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05 ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05 ` [PATCH 1/6] fs: add hole punching to fallocate Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:14   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 11:16   ` Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:16     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:16     ` [Cluster-devel] " Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:16     ` Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:43     ` Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:43       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:43       ` [Cluster-devel] " Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:43       ` Jan Kara
2010-11-16 12:52       ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 12:53         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 12:52         ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 13:14         ` Jan Kara
2010-11-16 13:14           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2010-11-16 13:14           ` [Cluster-devel] " Jan Kara
2010-11-16 13:14           ` Jan Kara
2010-11-17  0:22           ` Andreas Dilger
2010-11-17  0:22             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2010-11-17  0:22             ` Andreas Dilger
2010-11-17  2:11             ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-17  2:12               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dave Chinner
2010-11-17  2:11               ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-17  2:28               ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-17  2:29                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-17  2:28                 ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-17  2:34                 ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-17  2:35                   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-17  2:34                   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-17  9:30                   ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2010-11-17  9:30                     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2010-11-17  9:30                     ` Andreas Dilger
2010-11-17  9:19               ` Andreas Dilger
2010-11-17  9:19                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2010-11-17  9:19                 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-11-16 12:53     ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 12:54       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 12:53       ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05 ` [PATCH 2/6] XFS: handle hole punching via fallocate properly Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:14   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05 ` [PATCH 3/6] Ocfs2: " Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:14   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 11:50   ` Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:50     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:50     ` [Cluster-devel] " Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:50     ` Jan Kara
2010-11-17 23:27   ` Joel Becker
2010-11-17 23:28     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2010-11-17 23:27     ` [Cluster-devel] " Joel Becker
2010-11-17 23:27     ` Joel Becker
2010-11-15 17:05 ` [PATCH 4/6] Ext4: fail if we try to use hole punch Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:14   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 11:52   ` Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:52     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:52     ` [Cluster-devel] " Jan Kara
2010-11-16 11:52     ` Jan Kara
2010-11-16 12:25   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-16 12:25     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-11-16 12:25     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-16 12:50     ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 12:50       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 12:50       ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 13:07       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-16 13:07         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-11-16 13:07         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-16 16:05         ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 16:06           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 16:05           ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 20:47           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-16 20:47             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Greg Freemyer
2010-11-16 20:47             ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-16 20:47             ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-16 20:47             ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-17  3:06         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17  3:06           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17  3:06           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17  6:31           ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-17  6:32             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-17  6:31             ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-17  6:31             ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-17  6:31           ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 16:20   ` Pádraig Brady
2010-11-16 16:21     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Pádraig Brady
2010-11-16 16:20     ` Pádraig Brady
2010-11-16 16:20     ` Pádraig Brady
2010-11-16 16:33     ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 16:33       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 16:33       ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 16:33       ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-16 16:56       ` Pádraig Brady
2010-11-15 17:05 ` [PATCH 5/6] Btrfs: " Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:14   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05 ` [PATCH 6/6] Gfs2: " Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:14   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-15 17:05   ` Josef Bacik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-11-18  1:46 Hole Punching V3 Josef Bacik
2010-11-18  1:46 ` [PATCH 1/6] fs: add hole punching to fallocate Josef Bacik
2010-11-18  1:46   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18  1:46   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 23:43   ` Jan Kara
2010-11-18 23:43     ` Jan Kara
2010-11-08 20:32 Josef Bacik
2010-11-08 20:32 ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-08 20:32 ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-09  1:12 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-09  1:12   ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-09  2:10   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-09  2:10     ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-09  3:30   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-09  3:30     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-09  4:42     ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-09  4:42       ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-09  4:42       ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-09 21:41       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-09 21:41         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-09 21:53         ` Jan Kara
2010-11-09 21:53           ` Jan Kara
2010-11-09 23:40         ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-09 23:40           ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-09 23:40           ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-09 23:40           ` Dave Chinner
2011-01-11 21:13           ` Lawrence Greenfield
2011-01-11 21:13             ` Lawrence Greenfield
2011-01-11 21:13             ` Lawrence Greenfield
2011-01-11 21:13             ` Lawrence Greenfield
2011-01-11 21:30             ` Ted Ts'o
2011-01-11 21:30               ` Ted Ts'o
2011-01-12 11:48               ` Dave Chinner
2011-01-12 11:48               ` Dave Chinner
2011-01-12 11:48                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-01-12 11:48                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-01-12 12:44             ` Dave Chinner
2011-01-12 12:44               ` Dave Chinner
2011-01-28 18:13               ` Ric Wheeler
2011-01-28 18:13                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-11-09 20:51   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-09 20:51     ` Josef Bacik

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