Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/8] block: drive-backup live backup command

[Dietmar Maurer <dietmar@proxmox.com>]

> > I also consider it safer, because you make sure the data exists (using hash keys
> like SHA1).
> >
> > I am unsure how you can check if a dirty bitmap contains errors, or is out of
> date?
> >
> > Also, you can compare arbitrary Merkle trees, whereas a dirty bitmap is always
> related to a single image.
> > (consider the user remove the latest backup from the backup target).
> 
> One disadvantage of Merkle trees is that the client becomes stateful - the client
> needs to store its own Merkle tree and this requires fancier client-side code.

What 'client' do you talk about here?

But sure, the code gets more complex, and needs considerable amount of RAM
to store the hash keys .
 
> It is also more expensive to update hashes than a dirty bitmap.  Not because you
> need to hash data but because a small write (e.g. 1 sector) requires that you
> read the surrounding sectors to recompute a hash for the cluster.  Therefore you
> can expect worse guest I/O performance than with a dirty bitmap.

There is no need to update any hash - You only need to do that on backup - in fact, all
those things can be done by the backup driver.
 
> I still think it's a cool idea.  Making it work well will require a lot more effort than
> a dirty bitmap.

How do you re-generate a dirty bitmap after a server crash?