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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	trondmy@primarydata.com, Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:CONTROL GROUP (CGROUP)" <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 16:30:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3118.1495553419@warthog.procyon.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1495551292.2742620.985957224.3FCF254A@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org> wrote:

> Why not drop the upcall model in favor of having userspace monitor events
> via a (more efficient) protocol and react to them on its own?

 (1) That's not necessarily more efficient.  You now have the overhead of a
     permanently running userspace daemon in every relevant namespace
     combination.

 (2) You then have to work out how to route to the appropriate daemon.

> It's just generally more flexible

Actually, it's less flexible.  You can't easily get at the caller's
namespaces.

> and avoids all of those issues like replicating the seccomp configuration,
> etc.

So does my container implementation.

> Something like inotify/signalfd could be a precedent around having a read()/poll()able
> fd.  /proc/keys-requests ?
>
> Then if you create a new user namespace, and open /proc/keys-requests, the
> kernel will always write to that instead of calling /sbin/request-key.

That's not good enough.  You're basically making it one daemon per user
namespace and ignoring all the other namespaces.

[Also note that the kernel would have to paste a temporary authorisation key
 into the daemon's session keyring for each key that requires instantiation].

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-23 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-22 16:22 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 1/9] containers: Rename linux/container.h to linux/container_dev.h David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 2/9] Implement containers as kernel objects David Howells
2017-08-14  5:47   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-08-14  5:47     ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]     ` <20170814054711.GB29957-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-16 22:21       ` Paul Moore
2017-08-16 22:21     ` Paul Moore
2017-08-16 22:21       ` Paul Moore
2017-08-16 22:21       ` Paul Moore
     [not found]       ` <CAHC9VhRgPRa7KeMt8G700aeFvqVYc0gMx__82K31TYY6oQQqTw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-18  8:03         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-08-18  8:03       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-08-18  8:03         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-09-06 14:03         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-09-06 14:03           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20170906140341.GA8729-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-14  5:47             ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-09-14  5:47           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-09-14  5:47             ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]         ` <20170818080300.GQ7187-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-06 14:03           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-09-08 20:02           ` Paul Moore
2017-09-08 20:02         ` Paul Moore
     [not found]   ` <149547016213.10599.1969443294414531853.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-14  5:47     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 3/9] Provide /proc/containers David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22   ` David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 4/9] Allow processes to be forked and upcalled into a container David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22   ` David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 5/9] Open a socket inside " David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 6/9] Allow fs syscall dfd arguments to take a container fd David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 7/9] Make fsopen() able to initiate mounting into a container David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 8/9] Honour CONTAINER_NEW_EMPTY_FS_NS David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23   ` David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 9/9] Sample program for driving container objects David Howells
     [not found] ` <149547014649.10599.12025037906646164347.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-22 16:53   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley
2017-05-22 16:53     ` James Bottomley
2017-05-22 17:14     ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-05-22 17:14       ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-05-22 17:27     ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 17:27       ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 18:34     ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-22 18:34       ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]       ` <1495478092.2816.17.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-22 19:21         ` James Bottomley
2017-05-22 19:21       ` James Bottomley
2017-05-22 19:21         ` James Bottomley
2017-05-22 22:14         ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]         ` <1495480860.9050.18.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-22 22:14           ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 10:35           ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 10:35         ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 10:35           ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23  9:38     ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23  9:38       ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23  9:38       ` Ian Kent
     [not found]     ` <1495472039.2757.19.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-22 17:14       ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-05-22 17:27       ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 18:34       ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23  9:38       ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 13:52       ` David Howells
     [not found]     ` <f167feeb-e653-12e3-eec8-24162f7f7c07-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 14:53       ` David Howells
2017-05-23 14:53     ` David Howells
2017-05-23 14:56       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 14:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]       ` <2446.1495551216-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 14:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:14       ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:14         ` David Howells
     [not found]         ` <2961.1495552481-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 15:17           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:17             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <87bmqjmwl5.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 15:44               ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 15:44             ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 15:44               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]             ` <1495554267.27369.9.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 16:36               ` David Howells
2017-05-23 16:36                 ` David Howells
     [not found]                 ` <3860.1495557363-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-24  8:26                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-24  8:26                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-24  9:16                     ` Ian Kent
2017-05-24  9:16                       ` Ian Kent
     [not found]                     ` <87k256ek3e.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-24  9:16                       ` Ian Kent
     [not found]       ` <87zie3mxkc.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 15:14         ` David Howells
2017-05-22 17:11 ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 17:11   ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 19:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-22 19:04   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-22 22:22   ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-22 22:22     ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 12:54     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 12:54       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 14:27       ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 14:27         ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 14:30       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-23 14:30         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-23 14:54         ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 14:54           ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 15:31           ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 15:31             ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 15:35             ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 15:35               ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 15:30         ` David Howells [this message]
2017-05-23 14:23     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-23 14:23       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-27 17:45   ` Trond Myklebust
2017-05-27 17:45     ` Trond Myklebust
2017-05-27 19:10     ` James Bottomley
2017-05-27 19:10       ` James Bottomley
2017-05-30  1:03     ` Ian Kent
2017-05-30  1:03       ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 10:09 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 10:09   ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 13:52 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 13:52   ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:02   ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 15:02     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]   ` <32556.1495547529-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 15:02     ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 15:23     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:23   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:12 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:12   ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:33   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 16:13 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 16:13   ` David Howells

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