From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
trondmy@primarydata.com, mszeredi@redhat.com,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, jlayton@redhat.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 10:23:46 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87inkrlhq5.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <32556.1495547529@warthog.procyon.org.uk> (David Howells's message of "Tue, 23 May 2017 14:52:09 +0100")
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> writes:
> Another thing that could be useful is a list of what device files a container
> may access, so that we can allow limited mounting by the container root user
> within the container.
That is totally not why that isn't allowed, and won't be allowed any
time soon.
The issue is that the filesystem implementations in the kernel are not
prepared to handle hostile filesystem data structures so that that is
the definition of a kernel exploit. The attack surface of the kernel
gets quite a bit larger in that case.
Perhaps if all of the filesystems data structures had a hmac on them we
could allow something like this.
Once we can make it safe it is easy to add an appropriate interface. We
most defintiely don't need a ``container'' data structure in the kernel
to do that.
A completely unprivileged fuse is much more likely to work for this use
case.
And we do already have have the device cgroup which sort of does
this.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-05-23 15:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-05-22 16:22 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 1/9] containers: Rename linux/container.h to linux/container_dev.h David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 2/9] Implement containers as kernel objects David Howells
2017-08-14 5:47 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-08-14 5:47 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20170814054711.GB29957-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-16 22:21 ` Paul Moore
2017-08-16 22:21 ` Paul Moore
2017-08-16 22:21 ` Paul Moore
2017-08-16 22:21 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhRgPRa7KeMt8G700aeFvqVYc0gMx__82K31TYY6oQQqTw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-18 8:03 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-08-18 8:03 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-08-18 8:03 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-09-06 14:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-09-06 14:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20170906140341.GA8729-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-14 5:47 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-09-14 5:47 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-09-14 5:47 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20170818080300.GQ7187-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-06 14:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-09-08 20:02 ` Paul Moore
2017-09-08 20:02 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <149547016213.10599.1969443294414531853.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-14 5:47 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 3/9] Provide /proc/containers David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 4/9] Allow processes to be forked and upcalled into a container David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 5/9] Open a socket inside " David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 6/9] Allow fs syscall dfd arguments to take a container fd David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 7/9] Make fsopen() able to initiate mounting into a container David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 8/9] Honour CONTAINER_NEW_EMPTY_FS_NS David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 9/9] Sample program for driving container objects David Howells
[not found] ` <149547014649.10599.12025037906646164347.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-22 16:53 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley
2017-05-22 16:53 ` James Bottomley
2017-05-22 17:14 ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-05-22 17:14 ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-05-22 17:27 ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 17:27 ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 18:34 ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-22 18:34 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <1495478092.2816.17.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-22 19:21 ` James Bottomley
2017-05-22 19:21 ` James Bottomley
2017-05-22 19:21 ` James Bottomley
2017-05-22 22:14 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <1495480860.9050.18.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-22 22:14 ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 10:35 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 10:35 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 10:35 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 9:38 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 9:38 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 9:38 ` Ian Kent
[not found] ` <1495472039.2757.19.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-22 17:14 ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-05-22 17:27 ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 18:34 ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 9:38 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 13:52 ` David Howells
[not found] ` <f167feeb-e653-12e3-eec8-24162f7f7c07-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 14:53 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 14:53 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 14:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 14:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <2446.1495551216-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 14:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:14 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:14 ` David Howells
[not found] ` <2961.1495552481-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 15:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87bmqjmwl5.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 15:44 ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 15:44 ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 15:44 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <1495554267.27369.9.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 16:36 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 16:36 ` David Howells
[not found] ` <3860.1495557363-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-24 8:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-24 8:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-24 9:16 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-24 9:16 ` Ian Kent
[not found] ` <87k256ek3e.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-24 9:16 ` Ian Kent
[not found] ` <87zie3mxkc.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 15:14 ` David Howells
2017-05-22 17:11 ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 17:11 ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 19:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-22 19:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-22 22:22 ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-22 22:22 ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 12:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 12:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 14:27 ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 14:27 ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 14:30 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-23 14:30 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-23 14:54 ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 14:54 ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 15:31 ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 15:31 ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 15:35 ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 15:35 ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 15:30 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 14:23 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-23 14:23 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-27 17:45 ` Trond Myklebust
2017-05-27 17:45 ` Trond Myklebust
2017-05-27 19:10 ` James Bottomley
2017-05-27 19:10 ` James Bottomley
2017-05-30 1:03 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-30 1:03 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 10:09 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 10:09 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 13:52 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 13:52 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:02 ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 15:02 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <32556.1495547529-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-23 15:02 ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 15:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:23 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2017-05-23 15:12 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:12 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 16:13 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 16:13 ` David Howells
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