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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
Cc: Oleg Drokin <green@namesys.com>,
	Dieter N?tzel <Dieter.Nuetzel@hamburg.de>,
	Szakacsits Szabolcs <szaka@sienet.hu>,
	Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <c-d.hailfinger.kernel.2003@gmx.net>,
	reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: Horrible ftruncate performance
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:09:28 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F1D7DD8.3010806@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1058892649.5042.29.camel@tiny.suse.com>

Chris Mason wrote:

>On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 12:43, Hans Reiser wrote:
>  
>
>>The answer to the below is to use reiser4.  It uses extents, and two 64 
>>bit numbers are all that is needed to store the hole.  V4 will be ready 
>>for testing in a few days, and will ship for real users at the end of 
>>summer we hope.
>>
>>Fixing V3 is  the wrong answer: this is one of its design flaws.
>>    
>>
>
>It's important to remember that releasing v4 doesn't automatically
>convert all existing v3 users to it.  This is the kind of thing we
>should try to fix without making major design changes to v3.  It's at
>least worth talking about, "use v4" can't always be the answer.
>
V3 is in feature freeze.   Unfortunately, determining what is a feature 
and what is a bug is a process based not just on the user experience, 
but on the structure of the code.  The proper fix for this bug is to add 
a feature called extents.   This  belongs in, and is in, V4.  V4 will be 
available very soon.

Adding features, like new kinds of items, will disturb the stability of 
V3.  V3 needs to be zero defect.  It is now in a phase in its lifetime 
where conservatism is appropriate.

>
>-chris
>
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Hans



  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-22 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-10  3:23 Horrible ftruncate performance Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-07-10  5:29 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-10  7:30   ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-07-10  9:21     ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-10  8:17       ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-07-10 10:01         ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-10 14:01           ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-07-10 15:44             ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-11 14:35       ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-11 14:49         ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-11 15:16           ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-11 15:24             ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-11 15:27               ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-11 15:32                 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-11 15:35                   ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-11 15:32               ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-11 15:36                 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-11 15:36                   ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-11 15:38                 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-11 15:34               ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-11 15:44                 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-11 17:09                   ` Chris Mason
2003-07-11 17:27                     ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-11 18:32                       ` Chris Mason
2003-07-11 19:51                         ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-12  1:37                           ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-07-12  5:16                             ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2003-07-12  3:49                               ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-07-12 13:51                                 ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-15 12:19                                   ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-07-15 16:48                                     ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-15 17:05                                       ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-15 19:55                                         ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-16 10:35                                           ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-16 10:47                                             ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-16 10:57                                               ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-17 18:12                                                 ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-22 16:43                                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-07-22 16:50                                           ` Chris Mason
2003-07-22 18:09                                             ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2003-07-22 18:24                                               ` Chris Mason
2003-07-23  0:16                                                 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-23  6:25                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2003-07-23  5:49                                                     ` Voicu Liviu
2003-07-23  7:32                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2003-07-23  7:19                                                         ` Voicu Liviu
2003-07-23  6:14                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-07-23 14:38                                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-07-23 14:55                                                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-07-23 16:20                                                       ` Chris Mason
2003-07-23 12:25                                               ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-23 13:39                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-07-23 13:46                                                   ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-23 13:52                                                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-07-23 14:24                                                       ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-23 15:24                                                         ` Philippe Gramoullé
2003-07-12 14:05                             ` Dieter Nützel
2003-07-13 13:00                               ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-13 12:58                             ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-14  8:45                               ` Hans Reiser
2003-07-13 13:03                             ` Oleg Drokin
2003-07-15 11:51                               ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-07-15 13:51                                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-07-11 19:23                       ` Philippe Gramoullé
2003-08-03 14:05                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-08-04 13:41                       ` Chris Mason
2003-07-11 14:27   ` Chris Mason
2003-07-11 14:32     ` Dieter Nützel

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