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From: Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Box, David E" <david.e.box@intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, "Zheng, Lv  <lv.zheng@intel.com>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org,
	Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>, Anaczkowski,,
	Robert, Lukasz, "Erik  <erik.schmauss@intel.com>,
	Len Brown" <lenb@kernel.org>, John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>, devel@acpica.org, Kogut,,
	"Marcin  <marcin.koss@intel.com>,
	Brice Goglin" <brice.goglin@gmail.com>,
	"Nachimuthu, Murugasamy  <murugasamy.nachimuthu@intel.com>,
	Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>, Koziej,,
	"Joonas  <joonas.lahtinen@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tim Chen" <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] create sysfs representation of ACPI HMAT
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 10:44:34 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bffaacf-e927-fb06-4dd0-3821f6f82dad@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d7df981-69c2-e371-f48d-13c418fff134@intel.com>

On 12/22/2017 10:43 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 12/21/2017 07:09 PM, Anshuman Khandual wrote:
>> I had presented a proposal for NUMA redesign in the Plumbers Conference this
>> year where various memory devices with different kind of memory attributes
>> can be represented in the kernel and be used explicitly from the user space.
>> Here is the link to the proposal if you feel interested. The proposal is
>> very intrusive and also I dont have a RFC for it yet for discussion here.
> I think that's the best reason to "re-use NUMA" for this: it's _not_
> intrusive.
> 
> Also, from an x86 perspective, these HMAT systems *will* be out there.
> Old versions of Linux *will* see different types of memory as separate
> NUMA nodes.  So, if we are going to do something different, it's going
> to be interesting to un-teach those systems about using the NUMA APIs
> for this.  That ship has sailed.

I understand the need to fetch these details from ACPI/DT for
applications to target these distinct memory only NUMA nodes.
This can be done by parsing from platform specific values from
/proc/acpi/ or /proc/device-tree/ interfaces. This can be a
short term solution before NUMA redesign can be figured out.
But adding generic devices like "hmat" in the /sys/devices/
path which will be locked for good, seems problematic.
   

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From: Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Anaczkowski, Lukasz" <lukasz.anaczkowski@intel.com>,
	"Box, David E" <david.e.box@intel.com>,
	"Kogut, Jaroslaw" <Jaroslaw.Kogut@intel.com>,
	"Koss, Marcin" <marcin.koss@intel.com>,
	"Koziej, Artur" <artur.koziej@intel.com>,
	"Lahtinen, Joonas" <joonas.lahtinen@intel.com>,
	"Moore, Robert" <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	"Nachimuthu, Murugasamy" <murugasamy.nachimuthu@intel.com>,
	"Odzioba, Lukasz" <lukasz.odzioba@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Schmauss, Erik" <erik.schmauss@intel.com>,
	"Verma, Vishal L" <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	"Zheng, Lv" <lv.zheng@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Brice Goglin <brice.goglin@gmail.com>,
	Dan
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] create sysfs representation of ACPI HMAT
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 10:44:34 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bffaacf-e927-fb06-4dd0-3821f6f82dad@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d7df981-69c2-e371-f48d-13c418fff134@intel.com>

On 12/22/2017 10:43 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 12/21/2017 07:09 PM, Anshuman Khandual wrote:
>> I had presented a proposal for NUMA redesign in the Plumbers Conference this
>> year where various memory devices with different kind of memory attributes
>> can be represented in the kernel and be used explicitly from the user space.
>> Here is the link to the proposal if you feel interested. The proposal is
>> very intrusive and also I dont have a RFC for it yet for discussion here.
> I think that's the best reason to "re-use NUMA" for this: it's _not_
> intrusive.
> 
> Also, from an x86 perspective, these HMAT systems *will* be out there.
> Old versions of Linux *will* see different types of memory as separate
> NUMA nodes.  So, if we are going to do something different, it's going
> to be interesting to un-teach those systems about using the NUMA APIs
> for this.  That ship has sailed.

I understand the need to fetch these details from ACPI/DT for
applications to target these distinct memory only NUMA nodes.
This can be done by parsing from platform specific values from
/proc/acpi/ or /proc/device-tree/ interfaces. This can be a
short term solution before NUMA redesign can be figured out.
But adding generic devices like "hmat" in the /sys/devices/
path which will be locked for good, seems problematic.
   


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From: Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Anaczkowski, Lukasz" <lukasz.anaczkowski@intel.com>,
	"Box, David E" <david.e.box@intel.com>,
	"Kogut, Jaroslaw" <Jaroslaw.Kogut@intel.com>,
	"Koss, Marcin" <marcin.koss@intel.com>,
	"Koziej, Artur" <artur.koziej@intel.com>,
	"Lahtinen, Joonas" <joonas.lahtinen@intel.com>,
	"Moore, Robert" <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	"Nachimuthu, Murugasamy" <murugasamy.nachimuthu@intel.com>,
	"Odzioba, Lukasz" <lukasz.odzioba@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Schmauss, Erik" <erik.schmauss@intel.com>,
	"Verma, Vishal L" <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	"Zheng, Lv" <lv.zheng@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Brice Goglin <brice.goglin@gmail.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	devel@acpica.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] create sysfs representation of ACPI HMAT
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 10:44:34 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bffaacf-e927-fb06-4dd0-3821f6f82dad@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d7df981-69c2-e371-f48d-13c418fff134@intel.com>

On 12/22/2017 10:43 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 12/21/2017 07:09 PM, Anshuman Khandual wrote:
>> I had presented a proposal for NUMA redesign in the Plumbers Conference this
>> year where various memory devices with different kind of memory attributes
>> can be represented in the kernel and be used explicitly from the user space.
>> Here is the link to the proposal if you feel interested. The proposal is
>> very intrusive and also I dont have a RFC for it yet for discussion here.
> I think that's the best reason to "re-use NUMA" for this: it's _not_
> intrusive.
> 
> Also, from an x86 perspective, these HMAT systems *will* be out there.
> Old versions of Linux *will* see different types of memory as separate
> NUMA nodes.  So, if we are going to do something different, it's going
> to be interesting to un-teach those systems about using the NUMA APIs
> for this.  That ship has sailed.

I understand the need to fetch these details from ACPI/DT for
applications to target these distinct memory only NUMA nodes.
This can be done by parsing from platform specific values from
/proc/acpi/ or /proc/device-tree/ interfaces. This can be a
short term solution before NUMA redesign can be figured out.
But adding generic devices like "hmat" in the /sys/devices/
path which will be locked for good, seems problematic.
   

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Anaczkowski, Lukasz" <lukasz.anaczkowski@intel.com>,
	"Box, David E" <david.e.box@intel.com>,
	"Kogut, Jaroslaw" <Jaroslaw.Kogut@intel.com>,
	"Koss, Marcin" <marcin.koss@intel.com>,
	"Koziej, Artur" <artur.koziej@intel.com>,
	"Lahtinen, Joonas" <joonas.lahtinen@intel.com>,
	"Moore, Robert" <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	"Nachimuthu, Murugasamy" <murugasamy.nachimuthu@intel.com>,
	"Odzioba, Lukasz" <lukasz.odzioba@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Schmauss, Erik" <erik.schmauss@intel.com>,
	"Verma, Vishal L" <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	"Zheng, Lv" <lv.zheng@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Brice Goglin <brice.goglin@gmail.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	devel@acpica.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] create sysfs representation of ACPI HMAT
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 10:44:34 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bffaacf-e927-fb06-4dd0-3821f6f82dad@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d7df981-69c2-e371-f48d-13c418fff134@intel.com>

On 12/22/2017 10:43 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 12/21/2017 07:09 PM, Anshuman Khandual wrote:
>> I had presented a proposal for NUMA redesign in the Plumbers Conference this
>> year where various memory devices with different kind of memory attributes
>> can be represented in the kernel and be used explicitly from the user space.
>> Here is the link to the proposal if you feel interested. The proposal is
>> very intrusive and also I dont have a RFC for it yet for discussion here.
> I think that's the best reason to "re-use NUMA" for this: it's _not_
> intrusive.
> 
> Also, from an x86 perspective, these HMAT systems *will* be out there.
> Old versions of Linux *will* see different types of memory as separate
> NUMA nodes.  So, if we are going to do something different, it's going
> to be interesting to un-teach those systems about using the NUMA APIs
> for this.  That ship has sailed.

I understand the need to fetch these details from ACPI/DT for
applications to target these distinct memory only NUMA nodes.
This can be done by parsing from platform specific values from
/proc/acpi/ or /proc/device-tree/ interfaces. This can be a
short term solution before NUMA redesign can be figured out.
But adding generic devices like "hmat" in the /sys/devices/
path which will be locked for good, seems problematic.
   

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Thread overview: 180+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-14  2:10 [PATCH v3 0/3] create sysfs representation of ACPI HMAT Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10 ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] acpi: HMAT support in acpi_parse_entries_array() Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-15  0:49   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-15  0:49     ` [Devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-15  0:49     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-15  0:49     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-15  0:49     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-15  1:10   ` Dan Williams
2017-12-15  1:10     ` Dan Williams
2017-12-15  1:10     ` Dan Williams
2017-12-15  1:10     ` Dan Williams
2017-12-16  1:53     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-16  1:53       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-16  1:53       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-16  1:53       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-16  1:57       ` Dan Williams
2017-12-16  1:57         ` Dan Williams
2017-12-16  1:57         ` Dan Williams
2017-12-16  2:15         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-16  2:15           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-16  2:15           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-16  2:15           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-14  2:10 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] hmat: add heterogeneous memory sysfs support Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-15  0:52   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-15  0:52     ` [Devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-15  0:52     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-15  0:52     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-15 20:53     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-15 20:53       ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-15 20:53       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-15 20:53       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-15 20:53       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] hmat: add performance attributes Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14  2:10   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-14 13:00 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] create sysfs representation of ACPI HMAT Michal Hocko
2017-12-14 13:00   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-14 13:00   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-18 20:35   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-18 20:35     ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-18 20:35     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-18 20:35     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-18 20:35     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 16:41     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 16:41       ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 16:41       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 16:41       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 16:41       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-21 13:18       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-21 13:18         ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-21 13:18         ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-21 13:18         ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-20 18:19     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20 18:19       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20 18:19       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20 20:22       ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-20 20:22         ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-20 20:22         ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-20 21:16         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20 21:16           ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20 21:16           ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20 21:16           ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20 21:24           ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 21:24             ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 21:24             ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 21:24             ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 22:29             ` Dan Williams
2017-12-20 22:29               ` Dan Williams
2017-12-20 22:29               ` Dan Williams
2017-12-20 22:41               ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 22:41                 ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 22:41                 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 22:41                 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 22:41                 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-21 20:31                 ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-21 20:31                   ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-21 20:31                   ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-21 20:31                   ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-22 22:53                   ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 22:53                     ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 22:53                     ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 22:53                     ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 22:53                     ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 23:22                     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 23:22                       ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 23:22                       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 23:22                       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 23:22                       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 23:57                       ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 23:57                         ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 23:57                         ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 23:57                         ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 23:57                         ` Dan Williams
2017-12-23  1:14                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-23  1:14                           ` [Devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-23  1:14                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-23  1:14                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-23  1:14                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-23  1:14                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-27  9:10                     ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-27  9:10                       ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-27  9:10                       ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-27  9:10                       ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-30  6:58                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-30  6:58                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-30  6:58                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-30  6:58                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-30  9:19                         ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-30  9:19                           ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-30  9:19                           ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-30  9:19                           ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-20 21:13       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 21:13         ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 21:13         ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 21:13         ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 21:13         ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-21  1:41         ` Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
2017-12-21  1:41           ` Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
2017-12-21  1:41           ` Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
2017-12-21  1:41           ` Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
2017-12-21  1:41           ` Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
2017-12-22 21:46           ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 21:46             ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 21:46             ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 21:46             ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-21 12:50       ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-21 12:50         ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-21 12:50         ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-21 12:50         ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-22  3:09 ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-22  3:09   ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-22  3:09   ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-22  3:09   ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-22 10:31   ` Kogut, Jaroslaw
2017-12-22 10:31     ` Kogut, Jaroslaw
2017-12-22 10:31     ` Kogut, Jaroslaw
2017-12-22 14:37     ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-22 14:37       ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-22 14:37       ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-22 14:37       ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-22 17:13   ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-22 17:13     ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-22 17:13     ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-22 17:13     ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-23  5:14     ` Anshuman Khandual [this message]
2017-12-23  5:14       ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-23  5:14       ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-23  5:14       ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-22 22:13   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 22:13     ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 22:13     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 22:13     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 22:13     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-23  6:56     ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-23  6:56       ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-23  6:56       ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-23  6:56       ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-12-22 22:31   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 22:31     ` [Devel] " Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 22:31     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 22:31     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 22:31     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-25  2:05     ` Liubo(OS Lab)
2017-12-25  2:05       ` Liubo(OS Lab)
2017-12-25  2:05       ` Liubo(OS Lab)
2017-12-25  2:05       ` Liubo(OS Lab)

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