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From: Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>
To: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	slp@redhat.com,  mst@redhat.com, marcandre.lureau@redhat.com,
	stefanha@redhat.com,  viresh.kumar@linaro.org,
	takahiro.akashi@linaro.org, erik.schilling@linaro.org,
	manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org, mathieu.poirier@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [RFC PATCH] docs/interop: define STANDALONE protocol feature for vhost-user
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 16:54:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ogh7u3ezp7vlrp3ticquoajgsnpnglplm44osrsd7gvxv2lyn@g22qgf4vwgp5> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230704123600.1808604-1-alex.bennee@linaro.org>

On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 01:36:00PM +0100, Alex Bennée wrote:
>Currently QEMU has to know some details about the back-end to be able
>to setup the guest. While various parts of the setup can be delegated
>to the backend (for example config handling) this is a very piecemeal
>approach.
>
>This patch suggests a new feature flag (VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STANDALONE)
>which the back-end can advertise which allows a probe message to be
>sent to get all the details QEMU needs to know in one message.
>
>Signed-off-by: Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
>
>---
>Initial RFC for discussion. I intend to prototype this work with QEMU
>and one of the rust-vmm vhost-user daemons.

Thanks for starting this discussion!

I'm comparing with vhost-vdpa IOCTLs, so my questions may be
superficial, but they help me understand the differences.

>---
> docs/interop/vhost-user.rst | 37 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> hw/virtio/vhost-user.c      |  8 ++++++++
> 2 files changed, 45 insertions(+)
>
>diff --git a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst
>index 5a070adbc1..85b1b1583a 100644
>--- a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst
>+++ b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst
>@@ -275,6 +275,21 @@ Inflight description
>
> :queue size: a 16-bit size of virtqueues
>
>+Backend specifications
>+^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>+
>++-----------+-------------+------------+------------+
>+| device id | config size |   min_vqs  |   max_vqs  |
>++-----------+-------------+------------+------------+
>+
>+:device id: a 32-bit value holding the VirtIO device ID
>+
>+:config size: a 32-bit value holding the config size (see ``VHOST_USER_GET_CONFIG``)
>+
>+:min_vqs: a 32-bit value holding the minimum number of vqs supported

Why do we need the minimum?

>+
>+:max_vqs: a 32-bit value holding the maximum number of vqs supported, must be >= min_vqs

Is this overlap with VHOST_USER_GET_QUEUE_NUM?

>+
> C structure
> -----------
>
>@@ -296,6 +311,7 @@ In QEMU the vhost-user message is implemented with the following struct:
>           VhostUserConfig config;
>           VhostUserVringArea area;
>           VhostUserInflight inflight;
>+          VhostUserBackendSpecs specs;
>       };
>   } QEMU_PACKED VhostUserMsg;
>
>@@ -316,6 +332,7 @@ replies. Here is a list of the ones that do:
> * ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE``
> * ``VHOST_USER_SET_LOG_BASE`` (if ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_LOG_SHMFD``)
> * ``VHOST_USER_GET_INFLIGHT_FD`` (if ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_INFLIGHT_SHMFD``)
>+* ``VHOST_USER_GET_BACKEND_SPECS`` (if ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STANDALONE``)
>
> .. seealso::
>
>@@ -885,6 +902,13 @@ Protocol features
>   #define VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_CONFIGURE_MEM_SLOTS  15
>   #define VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STATUS               16
>   #define VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_XEN_MMAP             17
>+  #define VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STANDALONE           18
>+
>+Some features are only valid in the presence of other supporting
>+features. In the case of ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STANDALONE`` the
>+backend must also support ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_CONFIG`` and
>+``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STATUS``.
>+

What about adding a new section where we will describe what we mean
with "standalone" devices?

For example that the entire virtio device is emulated in the backend,
etc.

By the way, I was thinking more about F_FULL_DEVICE, but I'm not good
with names, so I'll just throw out an idea :-)

Thanks,
Stefano

>
> Front-end message types
> -----------------------
>@@ -1440,6 +1464,19 @@ Front-end message types
>   query the back-end for its device status as defined in the Virtio
>   specification.
>
>+``VHOST_USER_GET_BACKEND_SPECS``
>+  :id: 41
>+  :request payload: N/A
>+  :reply payload: ``Backend specifications``
>+
>+  When the ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STANDALONE`` protocol feature has been
>+  successfully negotiated, this message is submitted by the front-end to
>+  query the back-end for its capabilities. This is intended to remove
>+  the need for the front-end to know ahead of time what the VirtIO
>+  device the backend emulates is.
>+
>+  The reply contains the device id, size of the config space and the
>+  range of VirtQueues the backend supports.
>
> Back-end message types
> ----------------------
>diff --git a/hw/virtio/vhost-user.c b/hw/virtio/vhost-user.c
>index c4e0cbd702..28b021d5d3 100644
>--- a/hw/virtio/vhost-user.c
>+++ b/hw/virtio/vhost-user.c
>@@ -202,6 +202,13 @@ typedef struct VhostUserInflight {
>     uint16_t queue_size;
> } VhostUserInflight;
>
>+typedef struct VhostUserBackendSpecs {
>+    uint32_t device_id;
>+    uint32_t config_size;
>+    uint32_t min_vqs;
>+    uint32_t max_vqs;
>+} VhostUserBackendSpecs;
>+
> typedef struct {
>     VhostUserRequest request;
>
>@@ -226,6 +233,7 @@ typedef union {
>         VhostUserCryptoSession session;
>         VhostUserVringArea area;
>         VhostUserInflight inflight;
>+        VhostUserBackendSpecs specs;
> } VhostUserPayload;
>
> typedef struct VhostUserMsg {
>-- 
>2.39.2
>
>
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From: Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>
To: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	slp@redhat.com,  mst@redhat.com, marcandre.lureau@redhat.com,
	stefanha@redhat.com,  viresh.kumar@linaro.org,
	takahiro.akashi@linaro.org, erik.schilling@linaro.org,
	 manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org, mathieu.poirier@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [RFC PATCH] docs/interop: define STANDALONE protocol feature for vhost-user
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 16:54:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ogh7u3ezp7vlrp3ticquoajgsnpnglplm44osrsd7gvxv2lyn@g22qgf4vwgp5> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230704123600.1808604-1-alex.bennee@linaro.org>

On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 01:36:00PM +0100, Alex Bennée wrote:
>Currently QEMU has to know some details about the back-end to be able
>to setup the guest. While various parts of the setup can be delegated
>to the backend (for example config handling) this is a very piecemeal
>approach.
>
>This patch suggests a new feature flag (VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STANDALONE)
>which the back-end can advertise which allows a probe message to be
>sent to get all the details QEMU needs to know in one message.
>
>Signed-off-by: Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
>
>---
>Initial RFC for discussion. I intend to prototype this work with QEMU
>and one of the rust-vmm vhost-user daemons.

Thanks for starting this discussion!

I'm comparing with vhost-vdpa IOCTLs, so my questions may be
superficial, but they help me understand the differences.

>---
> docs/interop/vhost-user.rst | 37 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> hw/virtio/vhost-user.c      |  8 ++++++++
> 2 files changed, 45 insertions(+)
>
>diff --git a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst
>index 5a070adbc1..85b1b1583a 100644
>--- a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst
>+++ b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst
>@@ -275,6 +275,21 @@ Inflight description
>
> :queue size: a 16-bit size of virtqueues
>
>+Backend specifications
>+^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>+
>++-----------+-------------+------------+------------+
>+| device id | config size |   min_vqs  |   max_vqs  |
>++-----------+-------------+------------+------------+
>+
>+:device id: a 32-bit value holding the VirtIO device ID
>+
>+:config size: a 32-bit value holding the config size (see ``VHOST_USER_GET_CONFIG``)
>+
>+:min_vqs: a 32-bit value holding the minimum number of vqs supported

Why do we need the minimum?

>+
>+:max_vqs: a 32-bit value holding the maximum number of vqs supported, must be >= min_vqs

Is this overlap with VHOST_USER_GET_QUEUE_NUM?

>+
> C structure
> -----------
>
>@@ -296,6 +311,7 @@ In QEMU the vhost-user message is implemented with the following struct:
>           VhostUserConfig config;
>           VhostUserVringArea area;
>           VhostUserInflight inflight;
>+          VhostUserBackendSpecs specs;
>       };
>   } QEMU_PACKED VhostUserMsg;
>
>@@ -316,6 +332,7 @@ replies. Here is a list of the ones that do:
> * ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE``
> * ``VHOST_USER_SET_LOG_BASE`` (if ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_LOG_SHMFD``)
> * ``VHOST_USER_GET_INFLIGHT_FD`` (if ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_INFLIGHT_SHMFD``)
>+* ``VHOST_USER_GET_BACKEND_SPECS`` (if ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STANDALONE``)
>
> .. seealso::
>
>@@ -885,6 +902,13 @@ Protocol features
>   #define VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_CONFIGURE_MEM_SLOTS  15
>   #define VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STATUS               16
>   #define VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_XEN_MMAP             17
>+  #define VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STANDALONE           18
>+
>+Some features are only valid in the presence of other supporting
>+features. In the case of ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STANDALONE`` the
>+backend must also support ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_CONFIG`` and
>+``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STATUS``.
>+

What about adding a new section where we will describe what we mean
with "standalone" devices?

For example that the entire virtio device is emulated in the backend,
etc.

By the way, I was thinking more about F_FULL_DEVICE, but I'm not good
with names, so I'll just throw out an idea :-)

Thanks,
Stefano

>
> Front-end message types
> -----------------------
>@@ -1440,6 +1464,19 @@ Front-end message types
>   query the back-end for its device status as defined in the Virtio
>   specification.
>
>+``VHOST_USER_GET_BACKEND_SPECS``
>+  :id: 41
>+  :request payload: N/A
>+  :reply payload: ``Backend specifications``
>+
>+  When the ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_STANDALONE`` protocol feature has been
>+  successfully negotiated, this message is submitted by the front-end to
>+  query the back-end for its capabilities. This is intended to remove
>+  the need for the front-end to know ahead of time what the VirtIO
>+  device the backend emulates is.
>+
>+  The reply contains the device id, size of the config space and the
>+  range of VirtQueues the backend supports.
>
> Back-end message types
> ----------------------
>diff --git a/hw/virtio/vhost-user.c b/hw/virtio/vhost-user.c
>index c4e0cbd702..28b021d5d3 100644
>--- a/hw/virtio/vhost-user.c
>+++ b/hw/virtio/vhost-user.c
>@@ -202,6 +202,13 @@ typedef struct VhostUserInflight {
>     uint16_t queue_size;
> } VhostUserInflight;
>
>+typedef struct VhostUserBackendSpecs {
>+    uint32_t device_id;
>+    uint32_t config_size;
>+    uint32_t min_vqs;
>+    uint32_t max_vqs;
>+} VhostUserBackendSpecs;
>+
> typedef struct {
>     VhostUserRequest request;
>
>@@ -226,6 +233,7 @@ typedef union {
>         VhostUserCryptoSession session;
>         VhostUserVringArea area;
>         VhostUserInflight inflight;
>+        VhostUserBackendSpecs specs;
> } VhostUserPayload;
>
> typedef struct VhostUserMsg {
>-- 
>2.39.2
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-04 14:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-04 12:36 [RFC PATCH] docs/interop: define STANDALONE protocol feature for vhost-user Alex Bennée
2023-07-04 12:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Alex Bennée
2023-07-04 14:54 ` Stefano Garzarella [this message]
2023-07-04 14:54   ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-07-04 15:02   ` Alex Bennée
2023-07-04 15:02     ` Alex Bennée
2023-07-07 10:27     ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-07-07 10:27       ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-07-20 19:36       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-26 16:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-26 16:01           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-26 14:33   ` Erik Schilling
2023-07-26 15:51     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-06 16:31 ` Alex Bennée
2023-07-06 16:31   ` [virtio-dev] " Alex Bennée
2023-07-07 10:35   ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-07-07 10:35     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefano Garzarella
2023-07-06 16:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-06 16:48   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-07  7:58   ` [virtio-dev] " Alex Bennée
2023-07-07  7:58     ` Alex Bennée
2023-07-07  9:57     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-07  9:57       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-07 13:12       ` Alex Bennée
2023-07-07 13:12         ` [virtio-dev] " Alex Bennée
2023-07-20 19:58   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-20 19:58     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-20 21:14     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-20 21:14       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-20 21:31       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-20 22:22         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-20 22:22           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-24 18:08           ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-24 18:08             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-26 16:02             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-26 16:02               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-26 17:37               ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-26 17:37                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-20 19:32 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-20 19:32   ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-20 19:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-07-20 19:34   ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi

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