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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: root <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] x86/idle: use dynamic halt poll
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:51:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4444ffc8-9e7b-5bd2-20da-af422fe834cc@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1498130534-26568-3-git-send-email-root@ip-172-31-39-62.us-west-2.compute.internal>



On 22/06/2017 13:22, root wrote:
>  ==============================================================
>  
> +poll_grow: (X86 only)
> +
> +This parameter is multiplied in the grow_poll_ns() to increase the poll time.
> +By default, the values is 2.
> +
> +==============================================================
> +poll_shrink: (X86 only)
> +
> +This parameter is divided in the shrink_poll_ns() to reduce the poll time.
> +By default, the values is 2.

Even before starting the debate on whether this is a good idea or a bad
idea, KVM reduces the polling value to the minimum (10 us) by default
when polling fails.  Also, it shouldn't be bound to
CONFIG_HYPERVISOR_GUEST, since there's nothing specific to virtual
machines here.

Regarding the good/bad idea part, KVM's polling is made much more
acceptable by single_task_running().  At least you need to integrate it
with paravirtualization.  If the VM is scheduled out, you shrink the
polling period.  There is already vcpu_is_preempted for this, it is used
by mutexes.

Paolo

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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: root <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com
Cc: x86@kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net, tony.luck@intel.com,
	bp@alien8.de, peterz@infradead.org, mchehab@kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, krzk@kernel.org, jpoimboe@redhat.com,
	luto@kernel.org, borntraeger@de.ibm.com, thgarnie@google.com,
	rgerst@gmail.com, minipli@googlemail.com,
	douly.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com, nicstange@gmail.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, dvlasenk@redhat.com, bristot@redhat.com,
	yamada.masahiro@socionext.com, mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com,
	yu.c.chen@intel.com, aaron.lu@intel.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	me@kylehuey.com, len.brown@intel.com, prarit@redhat.com,
	hidehiro.kawai.ez@hitachi.com, fengtiantian@huawei.com,
	pmladek@suse.com, jeyu@redhat.com, Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net,
	zijun_hu@htc.com, luisbg@osg.samsung.com,
	johannes.berg@intel.com, niklas.soderlund+renesas@ragnatech.se,
	zlpnobody@gmail.com, adobriyan@gmail.com, fgao@ikuai8.com,
	ebiederm@xmission.com, subashab@codeaurora.org, arnd@arndb.de,
	matt@codeblueprint.co.uk, mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [2/2] x86/idle: use dynamic halt poll
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:51:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4444ffc8-9e7b-5bd2-20da-af422fe834cc@redhat.com> (raw)

On 22/06/2017 13:22, root wrote:
>  ==============================================================
>  
> +poll_grow: (X86 only)
> +
> +This parameter is multiplied in the grow_poll_ns() to increase the poll time.
> +By default, the values is 2.
> +
> +==============================================================
> +poll_shrink: (X86 only)
> +
> +This parameter is divided in the shrink_poll_ns() to reduce the poll time.
> +By default, the values is 2.

Even before starting the debate on whether this is a good idea or a bad
idea, KVM reduces the polling value to the minimum (10 us) by default
when polling fails.  Also, it shouldn't be bound to
CONFIG_HYPERVISOR_GUEST, since there's nothing specific to virtual
machines here.

Regarding the good/bad idea part, KVM's polling is made much more
acceptable by single_task_running().  At least you need to integrate it
with paravirtualization.  If the VM is scheduled out, you shrink the
polling period.  There is already vcpu_is_preempted for this, it is used
by mutexes.

Paolo
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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: root <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com
Cc: x86@kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net, tony.luck@intel.com,
	bp@alien8.de, peterz@infradead.org, mchehab@kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, krzk@kernel.org, jpoimboe@redhat.com,
	luto@kernel.org, borntraeger@de.ibm.com, thgarnie@google.com,
	rgerst@gmail.com, minipli@googlemail.com,
	douly.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com, nicstange@gmail.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, dvlasenk@redhat.com, bristot@redhat.com,
	yamada.masahiro@socionext.com, mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com,
	yu.c.chen@intel.com, aaron.lu@intel.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	me@kylehuey.com, len.brown@intel.com, prarit@redhat.com,
	hidehiro.kawai.ez@hitachi.com, fengtiantian@huawei.com,
	pmladek@suse.com, jeyu@redhat.com, Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net,
	zijun_hu@htc.com, luisbg@osg.samsung.com,
	johannes.berg@intel.com, niklas.soderlund+renesas@ragnatech.se
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] x86/idle: use dynamic halt poll
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:51:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4444ffc8-9e7b-5bd2-20da-af422fe834cc@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1498130534-26568-3-git-send-email-root@ip-172-31-39-62.us-west-2.compute.internal>



On 22/06/2017 13:22, root wrote:
>  ==============================================================
>  
> +poll_grow: (X86 only)
> +
> +This parameter is multiplied in the grow_poll_ns() to increase the poll time.
> +By default, the values is 2.
> +
> +==============================================================
> +poll_shrink: (X86 only)
> +
> +This parameter is divided in the shrink_poll_ns() to reduce the poll time.
> +By default, the values is 2.

Even before starting the debate on whether this is a good idea or a bad
idea, KVM reduces the polling value to the minimum (10 us) by default
when polling fails.  Also, it shouldn't be bound to
CONFIG_HYPERVISOR_GUEST, since there's nothing specific to virtual
machines here.

Regarding the good/bad idea part, KVM's polling is made much more
acceptable by single_task_running().  At least you need to integrate it
with paravirtualization.  If the VM is scheduled out, you shrink the
polling period.  There is already vcpu_is_preempted for this, it is used
by mutexes.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-22 11:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-22 11:22 [PATCH 0/2] x86/idle: add halt poll support root
2017-06-22 11:22 ` root
2017-06-22 11:22 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86/idle: add halt poll for halt idle root
2017-06-22 11:22   ` root
2017-06-22 11:22   ` [1/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-06-22 14:23   ` [PATCH 1/2] " Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-22 14:23     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-22 14:23     ` [1/2] " Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-23  4:05     ` [PATCH 1/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-06-23  4:05       ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-23  4:05       ` [1/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-08-16  4:04   ` [PATCH 1/2] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-08-16  4:04     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-08-16  4:04     ` [1/2] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-08-17  7:29     ` [PATCH 1/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-08-17  7:29       ` Yang Zhang
2017-08-17  7:29       ` [1/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-06-22 11:22 ` [PATCH 2/2] x86/idle: use dynamic halt poll root
2017-06-22 11:22   ` root
2017-06-22 11:22   ` [2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-06-22 11:51   ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2017-06-22 11:51     ` [PATCH 2/2] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-22 11:51     ` [2/2] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-23  3:58     ` [PATCH 2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-06-23  3:58       ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-23  3:58       ` [2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-06-27 11:22       ` [PATCH 2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-06-27 11:22         ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-27 11:22         ` [2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-06-27 12:07         ` [PATCH 2/2] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 12:07           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 12:07           ` [2/2] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 12:23           ` [PATCH 2/2] " Wanpeng Li
2017-06-27 12:23             ` Wanpeng Li
2017-06-27 12:23             ` [2/2] " Wanpeng Li
2017-06-27 12:28             ` [PATCH 2/2] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 12:28               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 12:28               ` [2/2] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 13:40               ` [PATCH 2/2] " Radim Krčmář
2017-06-27 13:40                 ` Radim Krčmář
2017-06-27 13:40                 ` [2/2] " Radim Krčmář
2017-06-27 13:56                 ` [PATCH 2/2] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 13:56                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 13:56                   ` [2/2] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 14:22                   ` [PATCH 2/2] " Radim Krčmář
2017-06-27 14:22                     ` Radim Krčmář
2017-06-27 14:22                     ` [2/2] " Radim Krčmář
2017-06-27 14:26                     ` [PATCH 2/2] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 14:26                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 14:26                       ` [2/2] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-07-03  9:28                     ` [PATCH 2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-07-03  9:28                       ` Yang Zhang
2017-07-03  9:28                       ` [2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-07-03 10:06                       ` [PATCH 2/2] " Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-03 10:06                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-03 10:06                         ` [2/2] " Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-04  2:19                         ` [PATCH 2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-07-04  2:19                           ` Yang Zhang
2017-07-04  2:19                           ` [2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-07-04 14:13                       ` [PATCH 2/2] " Radim Krčmář
2017-07-04 14:13                         ` Radim Krčmář
2017-07-04 14:13                         ` [2/2] " Radim Krčmář
2017-07-04 14:50                         ` [PATCH 2/2] " Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-04 14:50                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-04 14:50                           ` [2/2] " Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-13 11:49                         ` [PATCH 2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-07-13 11:49                           ` Yang Zhang
2017-07-13 11:49                           ` [2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-07-14  9:37                           ` [PATCH 2/2] " Alexander Graf
2017-07-14  9:37                             ` Alexander Graf
2017-07-14  9:37                             ` [2/2] " Alexander Graf
2017-07-17  9:26                             ` [PATCH 2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-07-17  9:26                               ` Yang Zhang
2017-07-17  9:26                               ` [2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-07-17  9:54                               ` [PATCH 2/2] " Alexander Graf
2017-07-17  9:54                                 ` Alexander Graf
2017-07-17  9:54                                 ` [2/2] " Alexander Graf
2017-07-17 12:50                                 ` [PATCH 2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-07-17 12:50                                   ` Yang Zhang
2017-07-17 12:50                                   ` [2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-07-04 22:28                       ` [PATCH 2/2] " Wanpeng Li
2017-07-04 22:28                         ` Wanpeng Li
2017-07-04 22:28                         ` [2/2] " Wanpeng Li
2017-06-22 14:32   ` [PATCH 2/2] " Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-22 14:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-22 14:32     ` [2/2] " Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-23  4:04     ` [PATCH 2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-06-23  4:04       ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-23  4:04       ` [2/2] " Yang Zhang
2017-06-22 22:46   ` [PATCH 2/2] " kbuild test robot
2017-06-22 22:46     ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-22 22:46     ` [2/2] " kbuild test robot
2017-06-22 11:32 ` [PATCH 0/2] x86/idle: add halt poll support Yang Zhang
2017-06-22 11:32   ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-22 11:50 ` Wanpeng Li
2017-06-22 11:50   ` Wanpeng Li
2017-06-23  4:08   ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-23  4:08     ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-23  4:35     ` Wanpeng Li
2017-06-23  4:35       ` Wanpeng Li
2017-06-23  6:49       ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-23  6:49         ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-27 14:00         ` Radim Krčmář
2017-06-27 14:00           ` Radim Krčmář

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