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From: Benny Halevy <bhalevy@panasas.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-next@vger.kernel.org, Andy Adamson <andros@netapp.com>,
	Fredric Isaman <iisaman@citi.umich.edu>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Alexander Beregalov <a.beregalov@gmail.com>,
	Subrata Modak <subrata@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	sachinp <sachinp@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -next] lib: Move find_last_bit.o to obj-y to enable use by modules.
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:18:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49F06AAF.8070008@panasas.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1240491589.8240.42.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>

On Apr. 23, 2009, 15:59 +0300, Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 19:29 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 01:12:54PM +0300, Benny Halevy wrote:
>>> On Apr. 23, 2009, 9:50 +0300, Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org> wrote:
>>>> Ok, so we have two different trivial patches for fixing the same thing,
>>>> and a week later it is still broken.
>>>>
>>>> I realize it is a trivial patch, but it does break builds. If folks
>>>> aren't going to take these sorts of things more seriously, then their
>>>> tree should be dropped after a grace period (say 2 days or so).
>>>>
>>>> Beyond that, it doesn't seem like -next has any sort of coherent policy
>>>> for dealing with trivial patches. If the emphasis is on the tree that
>>>> introduced the regression to deal with it, then trees need to be
>>>> aggressively dropped when these things go unfixed.
>>>>
>>>> Having builds broken for a week for an issue that has been spotted and
>>>> fixed by several people is simply unacceptable.
>>> Paul, that's a valid point but I don't set these polices.
>>> Trond suggested to just commit this to 2.6.30
>>> and I asked Rusty's Ack here:
>>> http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/4/21/489
>>>
>>> Like I said there, I'm not sure who to send this patch to.
>>> Ingo?
>>>
>> I was under the impression that a tree that caused a build regression
>> would be dropped until it had it sorted out, but that seems to be more
>> the exception than the rule.
>>
>> -next is good at finding bugs in build configurations folks haven't
>> considered, which should serve as a pretty good platform for getting
>> those types of fixes merged quickly, whether it be in to the tree that
>> caused the regression or -next directly.
>>
>> Unfortunately it seems like build regressions are more of an afterthought
>> than a show stopper. I count at least 3 on the sh builds in the last
>> couple weeks that are all averaging a week or longer to unbreak, while
>> patches have been available almost immediately.
> 
> In this case, the tree in question is exposing a bug that already exists
> in mainline; a function that is explicitly labelled as being exported
> for use by arbitrary modules, and yet isn't being compiled into the
> kernel. Shooting the messenger isn't going to fix that.
> 
> In any case, this patch does not belong in the NFS tree since it touches
> generic library code, not NFS code. Benny, if nobody else wants to
> shepherd it, then just send it directly to Linus.

Will do.

Regardless, Paul's observation seems valid.
I wonder if linux-next should have a branch or pull a tree
holding trivial fixes fitting no other specific tree...

Benny

> 
> Trond

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-23 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-16  3:07 [PATCH -next] lib: Move find_last_bit.o to obj-y to enable use by modules Paul Mundt
2009-04-16  8:11 ` Benny Halevy
2009-04-23  6:50   ` Paul Mundt
2009-04-23 10:12     ` Benny Halevy
2009-04-23 10:29       ` Paul Mundt
2009-04-23 12:59         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-04-23 13:18           ` Benny Halevy [this message]
2009-04-23 13:25           ` Paul Mundt
2009-04-23 13:59             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-04-23 14:12               ` Paul Mundt
2009-04-23 16:38                 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-04-26 12:49                   ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-26 16:42                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-26 17:29                       ` Trond Myklebust

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