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From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	hch@lst.de, mjt@tls.msk.ru, avi@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes"
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:56:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C73B364.1090900@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C73AFBA.6000002@redhat.com>

Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 24.08.2010 13:02, schrieb Stefan Hajnoczi:
>   
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> This reverts commit 8b3b720620a1137a1b794fc3ed64734236f94e06.
>>>
>>> This fix has caused severe slowdowns on recent kernels that actually do flush
>>> when they are told so. Reverting this patch hurts correctness and means that we
>>> could get corrupted images in case of a host crash. This means that qcow2 might
>>> not be an option for some people without this fix. On the other hand, I get
>>> reports that the slowdown is so massive that not reverting it would mean that
>>> people can't use it either because it just takes ages to complete stuff. It
>>> probably can be fixed, but not in time for 0.13.0.
>>>
>>> Usually, if there's a possible tradeoff between correctness and performance, I
>>> tend to choose correctness, but I'm not so sure in this case. I'm not sure with
>>> reverting either, which is why I post this as an RFC only.
>>>
>>> I hope to get some more comments on how to proceed here for 0.13.
>>>       
>> Sometimes an improvement has a side effect and it makes sense to hold
>> back the improvement until the side effect can be resolved.  The
>> period of time in which users could rely on qcow2 data integrity is
>> small to none, I feel reverting the commit makes sense.
>>     
>
> Right, that's the vague feeling I have, too.
>   

If we don't think of qcow2 as integer format, why don't we just default
to cache=unsafe there then? That way you could keep all the syncs in
place making it stable with cache=!unsafe, but the default for users
would be fast albeit unsafe, which it already is.


Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-24 11:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-24 10:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes" Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:02 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 11:06   ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 11:40   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:56     ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2010-08-24 12:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:12         ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:18           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:21             ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:27               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:35                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:39                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:53                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:21     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 12:23       ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 12:48 ` Juan Quintela
2010-08-24 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:16   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 13:29     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:31       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:35         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:39           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:40             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:44               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:56                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25  7:14                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 12:46                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:07                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:37                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:23                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:42                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:14                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:36                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:06                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 15:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:21                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:46                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:19                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:18                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:26                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:49                             ` Daniel P. Berrange

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