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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	stefanha@gmail.com, mjt@tls.msk.ru, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	hch@lst.de
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes"
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:56:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C73CF8D.5060405@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C73CCCB.6050704@redhat.com>

On 08/24/2010 08:44 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>  On 08/24/2010 04:40 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>> 1. Allocate a cluster (increase refcount table)
>>>
>>> 2. Link cluster to L2 table
>>>
>>> 3. Second operation makes it to disk; first still in pagecache
>>>
>>> 4. Crash
>>>
>>> 5. Dangling pointer from L2 to freed cluster
>>
>>
>> Yes, having this discussion in IRC.
>>
>> The problem is that we maintain a refcount table. 
>
> Are you sure that's the only issue?

No.

>> If we didn't do internal disk snapshots, we wouldn't have this 
>> problem.  IOW, VMDK doesn't have this problem so the answer to my 
>> very first question is that qcow2 is too difficult a format to get 
>> right.
>
> One doesn't follow from the other (though I'm no fan of internal 
> snapshots, myself).

It does.  Let's consider the failure scenarios:

1) guest submits write request
2) allocate extent
3) write data to disk (a)
4) write (a) completes
5) update reference count table for new extent (b)
6) write (b) completes
7) write extent table (c)
8) write (c) completes
9) complete guest write request

If this all happened in order and we lost power, the worst case error is 
that we leak a block which isn't terrible.

But we're not guaranteed that this happens in order.

If (b) or (c) happen before (a), then the image is not corrupted but 
data gets lost.  That's okay because it's part of the guest contract.

If (c) happens before (b), then we've created an extent that's attached 
to a table with a zero reference count.  This is a corrupt image.

Let's consider if we eliminate the reference count table which means 
eliminating internal snapshots.

1) guest submits write request
2) allocate extent
3) write data to disk (a)
4) write (a) completes
5) write extent table (c)
6) write (c) completes
7) complete guest write request

If this all happens in order and we lose power, we just leak a block.  
It means we need a periodic fsck.

If (c) completes before (a), then it means that the image is not 
corrupted but data gets lost.  This is okay based on the guest contract.

And that's it.  There is no scenario where the disk is corrupted.

So in summary, both situations are not perfect, but scenario (1) can 
result in a corrupted image whereas scenario (2) results in leakage.  
The classic solution to this is fsck.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-24 13:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-24 10:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes" Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:02 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 11:06   ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 11:40   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:56     ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:12         ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:18           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:21             ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:27               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:35                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:39                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:53                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:21     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 12:23       ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 12:48 ` Juan Quintela
2010-08-24 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:16   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 13:29     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:31       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:35         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:39           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:40             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:44               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:56                 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-08-25  7:14                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 12:46                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:07                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:37                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:23                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:42                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:14                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:36                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:06                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 15:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:21                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:46                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:19                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:18                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:26                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:49                             ` Daniel P. Berrange

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