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From: Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	Xen <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>, KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>, X86 <x86@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
	Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linu
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC V4 0/5] kvm : Paravirt-spinlock support for KVM guests
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:06:30 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F15BFAE.7060500@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1485A122-9D48-46E3-A01E-E37B5C9EC54A@suse.de>

On 01/17/2012 11:09 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>
> On 17.01.2012, at 18:27, Raghavendra K T wrote:
>
>> On 01/17/2012 12:12 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>
>>> On 16.01.2012, at 19:38, Raghavendra K T wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/16/2012 07:53 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16.01.2012, at 15:20, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> * Alexander Graf<agraf@suse.de>    [2012-01-16 04:57:45]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking of which - have you benchmarked performance degradation of pv ticket locks on bare metal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean, run kernel on bare metal with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS
>>>>>> enabled and compare how it performs with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS disabled for
>>>>>> some workload(s)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In some sense, the 1x overcommitcase results posted does measure the overhead
>>>>>> of (pv-)spinlocks no? We don't see any overhead in that case for atleast
>>>>>> kernbench ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Result for Non PLE machine :
>>>>>>> ============================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kernbench:
>>>>>>>                BASE                    BASE+patch
>>>>>
>>>>> What is BASE really? Is BASE already with the PV spinlocks enabled? I'm having a hard time understanding which tree you're working against, since the prerequisites aren't upstream yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for confusion, I think I was little imprecise on the BASE.
>>>>
>>>> The BASE is pre 3.2.0 + Jeremy's following patches:
>>>> xadd (https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/10/4/328)
>>>> x86/ticketlocklock  (https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/10/12/496).
>>>> So this would have ticketlock cleanups from Jeremy and
>>>> CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS=y
>>>>
>>>> BASE+patch = pre 3.2.0 + Jeremy's above patches + above V5 PV spinlock
>>>> series and CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS=y
>>>>
>>>> In both the cases  CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS=y.
>>>>
>>>> So let,
>>>> A. pre-3.2.0 with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = n
>>>> B. pre-3.2.0 + Jeremy's above patches with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = n
>>>> C. pre-3.2.0 + Jeremy's above patches with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = y
>>>> D. pre-3.2.0 + Jeremy's above patches + V5 patches with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = n
>>>> E. pre-3.2.0 + Jeremy's above patches + V5 patches with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = y
>>>>
>>>> is it performance of A vs E ? (currently C vs E)
>>>
>>> Since D and E only matter with KVM in use, yes, I'm mostly interested in A, B and C :).
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>> setup :
>> Native: IBM xSeries with Intel(R) Xeon(R) x5570 2.93GHz CPU with 8 core , 64GB RAM, (16 cpu online)
>>
>> Guest : Single guest with 8 VCPU 4GB Ram.
>> benchmark : kernbench -f -H -M -o 20
>>
>> Here is the result :
>> Native Run
>> ============
>> case A               case B             %improvement   case C  %improvement
>> 56.1917 (2.57125)    56.035 (2.02439)   0.278867       56.27 (2.40401)   -0.139344	
>
> This looks a lot like statistical derivation. How often did you execute the test case? Did you make sure to have a clean base state every time?
>
> Maybe it'd be a good idea to create a small in-kernel microbenchmark with a couple threads that take spinlocks, then do work for a specified number of cycles, then release them again and start anew. At the end of it, we can check how long the whole thing took for n runs. That would enable us to measure the worst case scenario.
>

It was a quick test.  two iteration of kernbench (=6runs) and had 
ensured cache is cleared.

echo "1" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
ccache -C. Yes may be I can run test as you mentioned..

>>
>> Guest Run
>> ============
>> case A               case B             %improvement   case C  %improvement
>> 166.999 (15.7613)    161.876 (14.4874) 	3.06768        161.24 (12.6497)  3.44852
>
> Is this the same machine? Why is the guest 3x slower?
Yes non - ple machine but with all 16 cpus online. 3x slower you meant 
case A is slower (pre-3.2.0 with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = n) ?

>
>
> Alex
>
>>
>> We do not see much overhead in native run with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = y
>>
>
>

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From: Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	Xen <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>, KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>, X86 <x86@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
	Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Dave Hansen <dave@linu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC V4 0/5] kvm : Paravirt-spinlock support for KVM guests
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:06:30 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F15BFAE.7060500@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1485A122-9D48-46E3-A01E-E37B5C9EC54A@suse.de>

On 01/17/2012 11:09 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>
> On 17.01.2012, at 18:27, Raghavendra K T wrote:
>
>> On 01/17/2012 12:12 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>
>>> On 16.01.2012, at 19:38, Raghavendra K T wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/16/2012 07:53 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16.01.2012, at 15:20, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> * Alexander Graf<agraf@suse.de>    [2012-01-16 04:57:45]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking of which - have you benchmarked performance degradation of pv ticket locks on bare metal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean, run kernel on bare metal with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS
>>>>>> enabled and compare how it performs with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS disabled for
>>>>>> some workload(s)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In some sense, the 1x overcommitcase results posted does measure the overhead
>>>>>> of (pv-)spinlocks no? We don't see any overhead in that case for atleast
>>>>>> kernbench ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Result for Non PLE machine :
>>>>>>> ============================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kernbench:
>>>>>>>                BASE                    BASE+patch
>>>>>
>>>>> What is BASE really? Is BASE already with the PV spinlocks enabled? I'm having a hard time understanding which tree you're working against, since the prerequisites aren't upstream yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for confusion, I think I was little imprecise on the BASE.
>>>>
>>>> The BASE is pre 3.2.0 + Jeremy's following patches:
>>>> xadd (https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/10/4/328)
>>>> x86/ticketlocklock  (https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/10/12/496).
>>>> So this would have ticketlock cleanups from Jeremy and
>>>> CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS=y
>>>>
>>>> BASE+patch = pre 3.2.0 + Jeremy's above patches + above V5 PV spinlock
>>>> series and CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS=y
>>>>
>>>> In both the cases  CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS=y.
>>>>
>>>> So let,
>>>> A. pre-3.2.0 with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = n
>>>> B. pre-3.2.0 + Jeremy's above patches with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = n
>>>> C. pre-3.2.0 + Jeremy's above patches with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = y
>>>> D. pre-3.2.0 + Jeremy's above patches + V5 patches with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = n
>>>> E. pre-3.2.0 + Jeremy's above patches + V5 patches with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = y
>>>>
>>>> is it performance of A vs E ? (currently C vs E)
>>>
>>> Since D and E only matter with KVM in use, yes, I'm mostly interested in A, B and C :).
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>> setup :
>> Native: IBM xSeries with Intel(R) Xeon(R) x5570 2.93GHz CPU with 8 core , 64GB RAM, (16 cpu online)
>>
>> Guest : Single guest with 8 VCPU 4GB Ram.
>> benchmark : kernbench -f -H -M -o 20
>>
>> Here is the result :
>> Native Run
>> ============
>> case A               case B             %improvement   case C  %improvement
>> 56.1917 (2.57125)    56.035 (2.02439)   0.278867       56.27 (2.40401)   -0.139344	
>
> This looks a lot like statistical derivation. How often did you execute the test case? Did you make sure to have a clean base state every time?
>
> Maybe it'd be a good idea to create a small in-kernel microbenchmark with a couple threads that take spinlocks, then do work for a specified number of cycles, then release them again and start anew. At the end of it, we can check how long the whole thing took for n runs. That would enable us to measure the worst case scenario.
>

It was a quick test.  two iteration of kernbench (=6runs) and had 
ensured cache is cleared.

echo "1" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
ccache -C. Yes may be I can run test as you mentioned..

>>
>> Guest Run
>> ============
>> case A               case B             %improvement   case C  %improvement
>> 166.999 (15.7613)    161.876 (14.4874) 	3.06768        161.24 (12.6497)  3.44852
>
> Is this the same machine? Why is the guest 3x slower?
Yes non - ple machine but with all 16 cpus online. 3x slower you meant 
case A is slower (pre-3.2.0 with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = n) ?

>
>
> Alex
>
>>
>> We do not see much overhead in native run with CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS = y
>>
>
>

  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-17 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-14 18:25 [PATCH RFC V4 0/5] kvm : Paravirt-spinlock support for KVM guests Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:25 ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:25 ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:25 ` [PATCH RFC V4 1/5] debugfs: Add support to print u32 array in debugfs Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:25   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:25   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:25 ` [PATCH RFC V4 2/5] kvm hypervisor : Add a hypercall to KVM hypervisor to support pv-ticketlocks Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:25   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:25   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16  3:24   ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  3:24     ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  8:43     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16  8:43       ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16  9:03   ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16  9:03     ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16  9:55     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16  9:55       ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:26 ` [PATCH RFC V4 3/5] kvm guest : Added configuration support to enable debug information for KVM Guests Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:26   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:26   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:26 ` [PATCH RFC V4 4/5] kvm : pv-ticketlocks support for linux guests running on KVM hypervisor Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:26   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:26   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16  3:12   ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  3:12     ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  7:25     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16  7:25       ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16  9:05   ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16  9:05     ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16 14:13     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 14:13       ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 14:47       ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16 14:47         ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16 23:49         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-16 23:49           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-17 11:02   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-01-17 11:02     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-01-17 11:33     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-17 11:33       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-18  1:34       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-18  1:34         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-18 13:54         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-18 13:54           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-18 21:52           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-18 21:52             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-24 14:08             ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-24 14:08               ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-24 18:51               ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-24 18:51                 ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-17 18:57     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-17 18:57       ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-24 19:01       ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:27 ` [PATCH RFC V4 5/5] Documentation/kvm : Add documentation on Hypercalls and features used for PV spinlock Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:27 ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:27   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-14 18:27   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16  3:23   ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  3:23     ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  3:51     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-16  3:51       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-16  4:00       ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  4:00         ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  8:47         ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16  8:44     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16  8:44       ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 10:26       ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16 10:26         ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  9:00   ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16  9:00     ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16  9:40     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-16 10:14       ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16 14:11         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-17  9:14           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-17  9:14             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-17 12:26             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-17 12:26               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-17 12:51               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-17 12:51                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-17 13:11                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-17 13:11                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-17 13:20                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-17 13:20                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-17 14:28                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-17 14:28                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-17 15:32                       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-17 15:32                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-17 15:53                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-01-17 15:53                           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-01-20 15:09                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-17 13:13                 ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-17 13:13                   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16  3:57 ` [PATCH RFC V4 0/5] kvm : Paravirt-spinlock support for KVM guests Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  3:57   ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16  6:40   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-16  6:40     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-16  8:55     ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16  8:55       ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16 23:59       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-16 23:59         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-18 10:48         ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-18 10:48           ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 10:24     ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16 10:24       ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-17  0:30       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-17  0:30         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-01-18 10:23         ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-18 10:23           ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 13:43   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 13:43     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 13:49     ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16 13:49       ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-16 18:48       ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 18:48         ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 14:20   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-16 14:20     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-16 14:23     ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16 14:23       ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16 18:38       ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 18:38         ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-16 18:42         ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-16 18:42           ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-17 17:27           ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-17 17:27             ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-17 17:39             ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-17 17:39               ` Alexander Graf
2012-01-17 18:36               ` Raghavendra K T [this message]
2012-01-17 18:36                 ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-17 21:57                 ` Dave Hansen
2012-01-17 21:57                   ` Dave Hansen
2012-01-18  2:27                   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-18  2:27                     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-25  8:55                 ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-25  8:55                   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-25 16:35                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-01-25 16:35                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-01-25 17:45                     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-25 17:45                       ` Raghavendra K T
2012-01-25 19:05                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-01-25 19:05                         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk

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