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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Anton Vorontsov <anton.vorontsov@linaro.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: RFC:  Easy-Reclaimable LRU list
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:15:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FE7AD8A.2080508@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FE549E8.2050905@jp.fujitsu.com>

Hi Kame,

On 06/23/2012 01:45 PM, Kamezawa Hiroyuki wrote:

> (2012/06/22 15:57), Minchan Kim wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> On 06/22/2012 04:21 AM, John Stultz wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/18/2012 10:49 PM, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>>> Hi everybody!
>>>>
>>>> Recently, there are some efforts to handle system memory pressure.
>>>>
>>>> 1) low memory notification - [1]
>>>> 2) fallocate(VOLATILE) - [2]
>>>> 3) fadvise(NOREUSE) - [3]
>>>>
>>>> For them, I would like to add new LRU list, aka "Ereclaimable" which
>>>> is opposite of "unevictable".
>>>> Reclaimable LRU list includes _easy_ reclaimable pages.
>>>> For example, easy reclaimable pages are following as.
>>>>
>>>> 1. invalidated but remained LRU list.
>>>> 2. pageout pages for reclaim(PG_reclaim pages)
>>>> 3. fadvise(NOREUSE)
>>>> 4. fallocate(VOLATILE)
>>>>
>>>> Their pages shouldn't stir normal LRU list and compaction might not
>>>> migrate them, even.
>>>> Reclaimer can reclaim Ereclaimable pages before normal lru list and
>>>> will avoid unnecessary
>>>> swapout in anon pages in easy-reclaimable LRU list.
>>>
>>> I was hoping there would be further comment on this by more core VM
>>> devs, but so far things have been quiet (is everyone on vacation?).
>>
>>
>> At least, there are no dissent comment until now.
>> Let be a positive. :)
> 
> I think this is interesting approach. Major concern is how to guarantee
> EReclaimable
> pages are really EReclaimable...Do you have any idea ? madviced pages
> are really
> EReclaimable ?


I would like to select just discardable pages.

1. unmapped file page 
2. PG_reclaimed page - (that pages would have no mapped and a candidate 
   for reclaim ASAP)
3. fallocate(VOLATILE) - (We can just discard them without swapout)
4. madvise(MADV_DONTNEED)/fadvise(NOREUSE) -
   (It could be difficult than (1,2,3) but it's very likely to reclaim easily than others.

> 
> A (very) small concern is will you use one more page-flags for this ? ;)


Maybe and it could be a serious problem on 32 bit machine.
I didn't dive into that but I guess we can reuse PG_reclaim bit.
PG_reclaim is always used by with !PageActive and Ereclaimable LRU list doesn't have 
active LRU list. so we can change following as

- #define PG_reclaim
+ #define PG_Ereclaim

SetPageReclaim(page)
{
	page->flags |= (PG_Ereclaim|PG_active);
}

TestPageReclaim(page)
{
	if (((page->flags && PG_Ereclaim|PG_active)) == (PG_Ereclaim|PG_active)) 
		return true;
	return false;
}

SetPageEreclaim(page)
{
	page->flags |= PG_Ereclaim;
}

Thanks for the comment, Kame.
-- 
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Anton Vorontsov <anton.vorontsov@linaro.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: RFC:  Easy-Reclaimable LRU list
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:15:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FE7AD8A.2080508@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FE549E8.2050905@jp.fujitsu.com>

Hi Kame,

On 06/23/2012 01:45 PM, Kamezawa Hiroyuki wrote:

> (2012/06/22 15:57), Minchan Kim wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> On 06/22/2012 04:21 AM, John Stultz wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/18/2012 10:49 PM, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>>> Hi everybody!
>>>>
>>>> Recently, there are some efforts to handle system memory pressure.
>>>>
>>>> 1) low memory notification - [1]
>>>> 2) fallocate(VOLATILE) - [2]
>>>> 3) fadvise(NOREUSE) - [3]
>>>>
>>>> For them, I would like to add new LRU list, aka "Ereclaimable" which
>>>> is opposite of "unevictable".
>>>> Reclaimable LRU list includes _easy_ reclaimable pages.
>>>> For example, easy reclaimable pages are following as.
>>>>
>>>> 1. invalidated but remained LRU list.
>>>> 2. pageout pages for reclaim(PG_reclaim pages)
>>>> 3. fadvise(NOREUSE)
>>>> 4. fallocate(VOLATILE)
>>>>
>>>> Their pages shouldn't stir normal LRU list and compaction might not
>>>> migrate them, even.
>>>> Reclaimer can reclaim Ereclaimable pages before normal lru list and
>>>> will avoid unnecessary
>>>> swapout in anon pages in easy-reclaimable LRU list.
>>>
>>> I was hoping there would be further comment on this by more core VM
>>> devs, but so far things have been quiet (is everyone on vacation?).
>>
>>
>> At least, there are no dissent comment until now.
>> Let be a positive. :)
> 
> I think this is interesting approach. Major concern is how to guarantee
> EReclaimable
> pages are really EReclaimable...Do you have any idea ? madviced pages
> are really
> EReclaimable ?


I would like to select just discardable pages.

1. unmapped file page 
2. PG_reclaimed page - (that pages would have no mapped and a candidate 
   for reclaim ASAP)
3. fallocate(VOLATILE) - (We can just discard them without swapout)
4. madvise(MADV_DONTNEED)/fadvise(NOREUSE) -
   (It could be difficult than (1,2,3) but it's very likely to reclaim easily than others.

> 
> A (very) small concern is will you use one more page-flags for this ? ;)


Maybe and it could be a serious problem on 32 bit machine.
I didn't dive into that but I guess we can reuse PG_reclaim bit.
PG_reclaim is always used by with !PageActive and Ereclaimable LRU list doesn't have 
active LRU list. so we can change following as

- #define PG_reclaim
+ #define PG_Ereclaim

SetPageReclaim(page)
{
	page->flags |= (PG_Ereclaim|PG_active);
}

TestPageReclaim(page)
{
	if (((page->flags && PG_Ereclaim|PG_active)) == (PG_Ereclaim|PG_active)) 
		return true;
	return false;
}

SetPageEreclaim(page)
{
	page->flags |= PG_Ereclaim;
}

Thanks for the comment, Kame.
-- 
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-06-25  0:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-19  5:49 RFC: Easy-Reclaimable LRU list Minchan Kim
2012-06-19  5:49 ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-21 19:21 ` John Stultz
2012-06-21 19:21   ` John Stultz
2012-06-22  6:57   ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-22  6:57     ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-23  4:45     ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-06-23  4:45       ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-06-23 15:53       ` Rik van Riel
2012-06-23 15:53         ` Rik van Riel
2012-06-24 11:09         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-24 11:09           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-25  0:15       ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2012-06-25  0:15         ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-25  8:46 ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-25  8:46   ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-26  0:12   ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-26  0:12     ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-26  8:07     ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-26  8:07       ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-25 10:24 ` Mel Gorman
2012-06-25 10:24   ` Mel Gorman
2012-06-26  0:26   ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-26  0:26     ` Minchan Kim
2012-07-17 16:03   ` Zheng Liu
2012-07-17 16:03     ` Zheng Liu

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