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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Bastien Nocera <hadess@hadess.net>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:28:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5446B3CC.1080904@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1413881397.30379.7.camel@hadess.net>

On 10/21/2014 01:49 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> GNOME has had discussions with kernel developers in the past, and,
> fortunately, in some cases we were able to make headway.
> 
> There are however a number of items that we still don't have solutions
> for, items that kernel developers might not realise we'd like to rely
> on, or don't know that we'd make use of if merged.
> 
> I've posted this list at:
> https://wiki.gnome.org/BastienNocera/KernelWishlist
> 
> Let me know on-list or off-list if you have any comments about those, so
> I can update the list.

I don't know much about desktop environment infrastructure, but I think
the kernel probably already has a lot of what's needed for LinuxApps.

Tools like Sandstorm [1] (shameless plug, but it's a good example here)
can already sandbox normal-ish programs, and those sandboxes can be
launched without privilege [2].

Why is kdbus needed?  Why are overlays better than, say, btrfs
lightweight copies here?  Also, overlayfs might actually make it for 3.19.

[1] sandstorm.io
[2]
https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/blob/master/src/sandstorm/supervisor-main.c%2B%2B

As for childfs, I implemented procfs polling a couple years ago, but it
never went anywhere:

http://lkml.kernel.org/g/1840e47fc4113af16989a4250d98bed62a9bce53.1354559528.git.luto@amacapital.net

If that would help, I can try to dust it off and get it in to the kernel.

--Andy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-10-21 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-21  8:49 A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 13:11 ` Sergey
2014-10-22  2:58   ` Minchan Kim
2014-10-22 16:52   ` Dan Streetman
2014-10-22 20:16   ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-10-27 16:11     ` Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2014-10-27  9:23   ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-27 16:02     ` Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2014-10-31  9:36       ` Jan Kara
2014-11-03 18:21         ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-11-04  9:28           ` Jan Kara
2014-11-04 19:55             ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-11-05 17:18               ` Jan Kara
2014-10-21 17:04 ` John Stultz
2014-10-21 17:14   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 18:00     ` John Stultz
2014-10-21 18:09       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 19:10         ` John Stultz
2014-10-27 14:19           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:56             ` John Stultz
2014-10-28 22:57               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:41                 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:39                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-31 14:03                     ` Bastien Nocera
2014-11-03 14:17                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:35               ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:25                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-31 14:01                   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-11-21 19:08             ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-21 19:23         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-22 17:04         ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-10-27 14:28           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 20:59             ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-10-28 12:36               ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 14:36                 ` John Stultz
2014-10-31 13:54                   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-31 17:38                     ` John Stultz
     [not found]                 ` <CANszf4gaozN9YHzxUToRP9CaA1VVEV9vcz_X6LDL1zW3fH4Fow@mail.gmail.com>
2014-10-28 16:41                   ` Fwd: " Rogelio Serrano
2014-10-27  9:28         ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-27 14:31           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 18:50             ` suspend to partition " Pavel Machek
2014-10-30 13:57               ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-29 19:19             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 20:26               ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-29 21:16                 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-30 14:45                   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 14:53                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 15:07                       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 18:23                         ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-31 13:57                           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 15:05                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-30 15:15                       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 15:34                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-30 15:36                           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 17:41                         ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-31 13:59                           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:21                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 23:19                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:42                 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 22:42           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-21 18:24     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-27 14:20       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 15:31         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-27 15:44           ` Bastien Nocera
2015-04-30 16:25   ` Bastien Nocera
2015-04-30 17:10     ` John Stultz
2015-04-30 17:23       ` Olof Johansson
2015-04-30 18:54         ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-01  9:02           ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-04 22:19             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05  6:05               ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-05 12:31                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-07 16:54                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-07 21:03                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-08  7:09                       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-04 22:12           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-04 23:30             ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 10:46               ` Bastien Nocera
2015-05-05 19:22                 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-06 12:41                   ` Bastien Nocera
2015-05-05 14:39               ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 14:39                 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 17:58                 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 19:35                   ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 19:35                     ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 20:58                     ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 23:56                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05 23:38                         ` David Lang
2015-05-05 23:51                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-07 17:03                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-07 18:21                         ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 23:47               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-06 17:40                 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-07 23:19                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-11 22:12                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12  0:45                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-21 19:28 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2014-10-21 19:43   ` Al Viro
2014-10-21 19:47     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 13:55   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 15:12     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 15:45       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 16:09           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:22             ` Al Viro

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