From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Bastien Nocera <hadess@hadess.net>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:47:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVRkO-KRTtnX69ku5DkVLmFLbMqK22B1xyEpWt-o-xK9Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141021194340.GT7996@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:28:12PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>
>> Why is kdbus needed?
>
> Presumably because freedesktop crowd has made an architectural mistake and
> pushed dbus as solution to all problems. And ran into limitations of
> that, er, solution. Then, instead of perhaps reconsidering the wisdom of
> their inspired decision, went for "let's push it kernelwards, it might
> somewhat reduce the overhead and problems will be easier to chalk up to
> something wrong being done by the kernel".
Well, yes, but the question I was actually trying to ask is: why does
a containerized app need any kernel help at all for communication with
the rest of the system (using dbus or anything else)? Passing socket
fds into a container works just fine.
--Andy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-10-21 19:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-10-21 8:49 A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 13:11 ` Sergey
2014-10-22 2:58 ` Minchan Kim
2014-10-22 16:52 ` Dan Streetman
2014-10-22 20:16 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-10-27 16:11 ` Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2014-10-27 9:23 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-27 16:02 ` Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2014-10-31 9:36 ` Jan Kara
2014-11-03 18:21 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-11-04 9:28 ` Jan Kara
2014-11-04 19:55 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-11-05 17:18 ` Jan Kara
2014-10-21 17:04 ` John Stultz
2014-10-21 17:14 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 18:00 ` John Stultz
2014-10-21 18:09 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 19:10 ` John Stultz
2014-10-27 14:19 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:56 ` John Stultz
2014-10-28 22:57 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:41 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:39 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-31 14:03 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-11-03 14:17 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:35 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:25 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-31 14:01 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-11-21 19:08 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-21 19:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-22 17:04 ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-10-27 14:28 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 20:59 ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-10-28 12:36 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 14:36 ` John Stultz
2014-10-31 13:54 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-31 17:38 ` John Stultz
[not found] ` <CANszf4gaozN9YHzxUToRP9CaA1VVEV9vcz_X6LDL1zW3fH4Fow@mail.gmail.com>
2014-10-28 16:41 ` Fwd: " Rogelio Serrano
2014-10-27 9:28 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-27 14:31 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 18:50 ` suspend to partition " Pavel Machek
2014-10-30 13:57 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-29 19:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 20:26 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-29 21:16 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-30 14:45 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 14:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 15:07 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 18:23 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-31 13:57 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 15:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-30 15:15 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 15:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-30 15:36 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 17:41 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-31 13:59 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:21 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 23:19 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:42 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 22:42 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-21 18:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-27 14:20 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 15:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-27 15:44 ` Bastien Nocera
2015-04-30 16:25 ` Bastien Nocera
2015-04-30 17:10 ` John Stultz
2015-04-30 17:23 ` Olof Johansson
2015-04-30 18:54 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-01 9:02 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-04 22:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05 6:05 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-05 12:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-07 16:54 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-07 21:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-08 7:09 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-04 22:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-04 23:30 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 10:46 ` Bastien Nocera
2015-05-05 19:22 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-06 12:41 ` Bastien Nocera
2015-05-05 14:39 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 14:39 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 17:58 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 19:35 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 19:35 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 20:58 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 23:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05 23:38 ` David Lang
2015-05-05 23:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-07 17:03 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-07 18:21 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 23:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-06 17:40 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-07 23:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-11 22:12 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12 0:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-21 19:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 19:43 ` Al Viro
2014-10-21 19:47 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2014-10-27 13:55 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 15:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 15:45 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 16:09 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:22 ` Al Viro
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