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From: "Sergey \"Shnatsel\" Davidoff" <sergey@elementaryos.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:02:51 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABaUXi4CkosMHDuNMMhTg3Ahrts5re-rJsPxN4JNp0Wu3AbKdA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141027092311.GA9807@amd>

> If "recursive mtime" was available, would that work for you?

It would work for detecting "offline" changes. I suppose recursive
mtime not viable for online monitoring, mostly because detecting file
renaming would be a massive PITA (and we already have fanotify with
exactly this problem).

Another approach to offline monitoring is using things like btrfs
changelogs - e.g. incremental "btrfs send", but I don't think that's
viable for other filesystems and I don't know how efficient it is even
on btrfs.

Actually, being able to read btrfs changelog from userspace more or
less as it happens (<200ms latency on commodity x86) would fulfill our
requirements for online VFS monitoring facility, and we could use
"btrfs send" approach for replaying offline changes. The good thing
about this approach is that it can use a fixed-size buffer for feeding
the info in userspace - if userspace can't keep up, the data is not
lost but recorded to the filesystem and can be retrieved from it
later. In this case we'd be tied to a specific filesystem, but that's
worlds better than nothing at all.

-- 
Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-27 16:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-21  8:49 A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 13:11 ` Sergey
2014-10-22  2:58   ` Minchan Kim
2014-10-22 16:52   ` Dan Streetman
2014-10-22 20:16   ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-10-27 16:11     ` Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2014-10-27  9:23   ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-27 16:02     ` Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff [this message]
2014-10-31  9:36       ` Jan Kara
2014-11-03 18:21         ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-11-04  9:28           ` Jan Kara
2014-11-04 19:55             ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-11-05 17:18               ` Jan Kara
2014-10-21 17:04 ` John Stultz
2014-10-21 17:14   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 18:00     ` John Stultz
2014-10-21 18:09       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 19:10         ` John Stultz
2014-10-27 14:19           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:56             ` John Stultz
2014-10-28 22:57               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:41                 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:39                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-31 14:03                     ` Bastien Nocera
2014-11-03 14:17                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:35               ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:25                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-31 14:01                   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-11-21 19:08             ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-21 19:23         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-22 17:04         ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-10-27 14:28           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 20:59             ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-10-28 12:36               ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 14:36                 ` John Stultz
2014-10-31 13:54                   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-31 17:38                     ` John Stultz
     [not found]                 ` <CANszf4gaozN9YHzxUToRP9CaA1VVEV9vcz_X6LDL1zW3fH4Fow@mail.gmail.com>
2014-10-28 16:41                   ` Fwd: " Rogelio Serrano
2014-10-27  9:28         ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-27 14:31           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 18:50             ` suspend to partition " Pavel Machek
2014-10-30 13:57               ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-29 19:19             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 20:26               ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-29 21:16                 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-30 14:45                   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 14:53                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 15:07                       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 18:23                         ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-31 13:57                           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 15:05                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-30 15:15                       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 15:34                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-30 15:36                           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 17:41                         ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-31 13:59                           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:21                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 23:19                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:42                 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 22:42           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-21 18:24     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-27 14:20       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 15:31         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-27 15:44           ` Bastien Nocera
2015-04-30 16:25   ` Bastien Nocera
2015-04-30 17:10     ` John Stultz
2015-04-30 17:23       ` Olof Johansson
2015-04-30 18:54         ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-01  9:02           ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-04 22:19             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05  6:05               ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-05 12:31                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-07 16:54                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-07 21:03                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-08  7:09                       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-04 22:12           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-04 23:30             ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 10:46               ` Bastien Nocera
2015-05-05 19:22                 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-06 12:41                   ` Bastien Nocera
2015-05-05 14:39               ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 14:39                 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 17:58                 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 19:35                   ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 19:35                     ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 20:58                     ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 23:56                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05 23:38                         ` David Lang
2015-05-05 23:51                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-07 17:03                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-07 18:21                         ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 23:47               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-06 17:40                 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-07 23:19                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-11 22:12                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12  0:45                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-21 19:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 19:43   ` Al Viro
2014-10-21 19:47     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 13:55   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 15:12     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 15:45       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 16:09           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:22             ` Al Viro

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