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From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)" <elliott@hpe.com>
Cc: Matt Fleming <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"linux-efi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Taku Izumi <izumi.taku@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] x86/efi: Print size in binary units in efi_print_memmap
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 13:53:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56B9E166.6030405@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160209122018.GA4178@gmail.com>

On 02/09/16 13:20, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory) <elliott@hpe.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Matt Fleming [mailto:matt@codeblueprint.co.uk]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 5:28 AM
>>> To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
>>> Cc: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>; H . Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>;
>>> Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>; linux-efi@vger.kernel.org; linux-
>>> kernel@vger.kernel.org; Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
>>> <elliott@hpe.com>; Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>;
>>> Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>; Taku Izumi
>>> <izumi.taku@jp.fujitsu.com>; Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-
>>> foundation.org>; Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] x86/efi: Print size in binary units in
>>> efi_print_memmap
>> ...
>>> OK, this patch has caused enough headaches. Let's drop it from this
>>> series.
>>>
>>> Robert, Andy, feel free to resubmit it after you've addressed
>>> everyone's concerns and we can discuss it in isolation.
>>
>> We could just delete the size print altogether - better to print
>> nothing than a silently rounded number.  The end address already
>> communicates the size - it's just not as readable.  
>>
>> The e820 table prints don't bother with a size print. 
>>
>> That would also shorten these extremely wide prints to 116
>> characters (131 if printk time is enabled).
>>
>> [    0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0000001880000000-0x000000207fffffff] reserved
>> vs.
>> [    0.000000] efi: mem62: [Reserved           |   |  |NV|  |  |  |  |   |WB|WT|WC|UC] range=[0x0000001880000000-0x000000207fffffff] (32 GiB)
> 
> So I find the latter a lot more readable - my terminals are wide enough ;-)
> 
> Humans are also rather bad at parsing 64-bit hexa address ranges at a glance, so 
> the size display is very useful.
> 
> But the flags portion should be shortened via appropriately chosen 
> single-character abbreviations for the flags. Anyone deeply intimate with the code 
> will recognize the flags - others won't care one way or another.
> 
> plus there's no need to write out 'range='.
>   
> ... and please keep the size and just use GB/TB for chrissake.
> 
> I.e. something like this would work for me:
> 
>> [    0.000000] efi: mem62: 0x0000001880000000-0x000000207fffffff (  32 GB) .N....BTCU "Reserved"

Sorry to disagree :), but I count myself somewhat intimate with UEFI
(albeit more from the edk2 side), and while I can make sense of

  |NV|  |  |  |  |   |WB|WT|WC|UC]

I find

  .N....BTCU

mostly undecipherable. :)

My original goal with this printout was to (a) provide a good impression
of the entire UEFI memmap, at a glance, (b) provide sufficient detail
per-entry, if necessary.

(I don't exactly recall why I was staring at the UEFI memmap dump at
that time, maybe I was working on S3 in OVMF which took a lot of memmap
massaging, or debugging some bug; either way my eyes were bleeding
trying to decode the numeric attributes.)

My xterm, maximized, has 239 columns, which I think counts as pretty low
for today's resolutions. It is nonetheless plenty wide for the current
output. Given that we print this stuff only when debugging information
is requested, I feel that the value of the current columnar output, in
which I can follow a single attribute with my eye across all entries,
should not be diminished, by compressing the columns.

I'm not a wide screen maniac; for example I insist on source code being
wrapped at 79 characters, commit messages at 74, emails at 72 (except
diagrams and log excerpts), and so on. But debug output is different.

My 2 cents, of course...

Thanks
Laszlo

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From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"Elliott,
	Robert (Persistent Memory)"
	<elliott-ZPxbGqLxI0U@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Matt Fleming
	<matt-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko
	<andriy.shevchenko-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel
	<ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Taku Izumi <izumi.taku-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	Linus Torvalds
	<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] x86/efi: Print size in binary units in efi_print_memmap
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 13:53:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56B9E166.6030405@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160209122018.GA4178-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On 02/09/16 13:20, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory) <elliott-ZPxbGqLxI0U@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Matt Fleming [mailto:matt-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 5:28 AM
>>> To: Ingo Molnar <mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
>>> Cc: Laszlo Ersek <lersek-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>; H . Peter Anvin <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>;
>>> Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>; linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org; linux-
>>> kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org; Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
>>> <elliott-ZPxbGqLxI0U@public.gmane.org>; Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>;
>>> Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>; Taku Izumi
>>> <izumi.taku-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>; Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-
>>> foundation.org>; Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] x86/efi: Print size in binary units in
>>> efi_print_memmap
>> ...
>>> OK, this patch has caused enough headaches. Let's drop it from this
>>> series.
>>>
>>> Robert, Andy, feel free to resubmit it after you've addressed
>>> everyone's concerns and we can discuss it in isolation.
>>
>> We could just delete the size print altogether - better to print
>> nothing than a silently rounded number.  The end address already
>> communicates the size - it's just not as readable.  
>>
>> The e820 table prints don't bother with a size print. 
>>
>> That would also shorten these extremely wide prints to 116
>> characters (131 if printk time is enabled).
>>
>> [    0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0000001880000000-0x000000207fffffff] reserved
>> vs.
>> [    0.000000] efi: mem62: [Reserved           |   |  |NV|  |  |  |  |   |WB|WT|WC|UC] range=[0x0000001880000000-0x000000207fffffff] (32 GiB)
> 
> So I find the latter a lot more readable - my terminals are wide enough ;-)
> 
> Humans are also rather bad at parsing 64-bit hexa address ranges at a glance, so 
> the size display is very useful.
> 
> But the flags portion should be shortened via appropriately chosen 
> single-character abbreviations for the flags. Anyone deeply intimate with the code 
> will recognize the flags - others won't care one way or another.
> 
> plus there's no need to write out 'range='.
>   
> ... and please keep the size and just use GB/TB for chrissake.
> 
> I.e. something like this would work for me:
> 
>> [    0.000000] efi: mem62: 0x0000001880000000-0x000000207fffffff (  32 GB) .N....BTCU "Reserved"

Sorry to disagree :), but I count myself somewhat intimate with UEFI
(albeit more from the edk2 side), and while I can make sense of

  |NV|  |  |  |  |   |WB|WT|WC|UC]

I find

  .N....BTCU

mostly undecipherable. :)

My original goal with this printout was to (a) provide a good impression
of the entire UEFI memmap, at a glance, (b) provide sufficient detail
per-entry, if necessary.

(I don't exactly recall why I was staring at the UEFI memmap dump at
that time, maybe I was working on S3 in OVMF which took a lot of memmap
massaging, or debugging some bug; either way my eyes were bleeding
trying to decode the numeric attributes.)

My xterm, maximized, has 239 columns, which I think counts as pretty low
for today's resolutions. It is nonetheless plenty wide for the current
output. Given that we print this stuff only when debugging information
is requested, I feel that the value of the current columnar output, in
which I can follow a single attribute with my eye across all entries,
should not be diminished, by compressing the columns.

I'm not a wide screen maniac; for example I insist on source code being
wrapped at 79 characters, commit messages at 74, emails at 72 (except
diagrams and log excerpts), and so on. But debug output is different.

My 2 cents, of course...

Thanks
Laszlo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-09 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-01 22:06 [GIT PULL 00/14] EFI changes for v4.6 Matt Fleming
2016-02-01 22:06 ` [PATCH 01/14] efi: Expose non-blocking set_variable() wrapper to efivars Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 11:31   ` [tip:efi/core] " tip-bot for Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-01 22:06 ` [PATCH 02/14] efi: Remove redundant efi_set_variable_nonblocking prototype Matt Fleming
2016-02-01 22:06   ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 11:31   ` [tip:efi/core] efi: Remove redundant efi_set_variable_nonblocking () prototype tip-bot for Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-01 22:06 ` [PATCH 03/14] efi: runtime-wrappers: Add a nonblocking version of QueryVariableInfo Matt Fleming
2016-02-01 22:06   ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 11:31   ` [tip:efi/core] efi/runtime-wrappers: Add a nonblocking version of QueryVariableInfo() tip-bot for Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-01 22:06 ` [PATCH 04/14] efi: Add nonblocking option to efi_query_variable_store() Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 11:32   ` [tip:efi/core] " tip-bot for Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-01 22:06 ` [PATCH 05/14] efi: runtime-wrappers: Remove out of date comment regarding in_nmi() Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 11:32   ` [tip:efi/core] efi/runtime-wrappers: " tip-bot for Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-01 22:07 ` [PATCH 06/14] efi: runtime-wrapper: Get rid of the rtc_lock spinlock Matt Fleming
2016-02-01 22:07   ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 11:32   ` [tip:efi/core] efi: Runtime-wrapper: " tip-bot for Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-01 22:07 ` [PATCH 07/14] efi: runtime-wrappers: Run UEFI Runtime Services with interrupts enabled Matt Fleming
2016-02-03  9:43   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03  9:57     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-03  9:57       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-03 10:58       ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 11:33         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-03 12:01           ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-04 13:58         ` [PATCH] efi: runtime-wrappers: run " Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-08 15:16           ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-08 19:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-02-09 16:52             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-09 16:52               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-11 16:03               ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-11 16:04             ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-01 22:07 ` [PATCH 08/14] efivars: Use to_efivar_entry Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 11:33   ` [tip:efi/core] " tip-bot for Geliang Tang
2016-02-01 22:07 ` [PATCH 09/14] x86/efi-bgrt: Don't ignore the BGRT if the 'valid' bit is 0 Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 11:33   ` [tip:efi/core] x86/efi/bgrt: " tip-bot for Môshe van der Sterre
2016-02-01 22:07 ` [PATCH 10/14] efi: Make checkpatch complain less about efi.h GUID additions Matt Fleming
2016-02-01 22:07   ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 10:33   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 10:33     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 10:44     ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 10:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 10:50         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 11:18         ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 11:27           ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 11:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 11:09     ` Joe Perches
2016-02-01 22:07 ` [PATCH 11/14] x86/efi: Show actual ending addresses in efi_print_memmap Matt Fleming
2016-02-02  8:49   ` Laszlo Ersek
2016-02-03 11:33   ` [tip:efi/core] " tip-bot for Robert Elliott
2016-02-01 22:07 ` [PATCH 12/14] efi: Add NV memory attribute Matt Fleming
2016-02-02  8:54   ` Laszlo Ersek
2016-02-02  8:54     ` Laszlo Ersek
2016-02-03 11:34   ` [tip:efi/core] " tip-bot for Robert Elliott
2016-02-01 22:07 ` [PATCH 13/14] efi: Add Persistent Memory type name Matt Fleming
2016-02-02  8:56   ` Laszlo Ersek
2016-02-03 11:34   ` [tip:efi/core] " tip-bot for Robert Elliott
2016-02-01 22:07 ` [PATCH 14/14] x86/efi: Print size in binary units in efi_print_memmap Matt Fleming
2016-02-02  9:22   ` Laszlo Ersek
2016-02-03 10:40     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 11:28       ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-03 12:36         ` Andy Shevchenko
2016-02-03 15:25         ` Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
2016-02-03 15:25           ` Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
2016-02-09 12:20           ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-09 12:53             ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]
2016-02-09 12:53               ` Laszlo Ersek
2016-02-09 13:14               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-09 13:14                 ` Ingo Molnar

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