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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 15/30] xen/x86: Improvements to in-hypervisor cpuid sanity checks
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:02:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56C47D7A.3070406@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56C45FBA02000078000D30D9@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 17/02/16 10:55, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 17.02.16 at 11:43, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 16/02/16 10:06, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>> On 15.02.16 at 18:12, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>> On 15/02/16 15:43, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 05.02.16 at 14:42, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>>>> @@ -4617,50 +4618,39 @@ void hvm_cpuid(unsigned int input, unsigned int *eax, unsigned int *ebx,
>>>>>>          /* Fix up VLAPIC details. */
>>>>>>          *ebx &= 0x00FFFFFFu;
>>>>>>          *ebx |= (v->vcpu_id * 2) << 24;
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +        *ecx &= hvm_featureset[FEATURESET_1c];
>>>>>> +        *edx &= hvm_featureset[FEATURESET_1d];
>>>>> Looks like I've overlooked an issue in patch 11, which becomes
>>>>> apparent here: How can you use a domain-independent featureset
>>>>> here, when features vary between HAP and shadow mode guests?
>>>>> I.e. in the earlier patch I suppose you need to calculate two
>>>>> hvm_*_featureset[]s, with the HAP one perhaps empty when
>>>>> !hvm_funcs.hap_supported.
>>>> Their use here is a halfway house between nothing and the planned full
>>>> per-domain policies.
>>>>
>>>> In this case, the "don't expose $X to a non-hap domain" checks have been
>>>> retained, to cover the difference.
>>> Well, doesn't it seem to you that doing only half of the HAP/shadow
>>> separation is odd/confusing? I.e. could I talk you into not doing any
>>> such separation (enforcing the non-HAP overrides as is done now)
>>> or finishing the separation to become visible/usable here?
>> The HAP/shadow distinction is needed in the toolstack to account for the
>> hap=<bool> option.
>>
>> The distinction will disappear when per-domain policies are introduced. 
>> If you notice, the distinction is private to the data generated by the
>> autogen script, and does not form a part of any API/ABI.  The sysctl
>> only has a single hvm featureset.
> I don't see this as being in line with
>
>     hvm_featuremask = hvm_funcs.hap_supported ?
>         hvm_hap_featuremask : hvm_shadow_featuremask;
>
> in patch 11. A shadow mode guest should see exactly the same
> set of features, regardless of whether HAP was available (and
> enabled) on a host.

A shadow mode guest will see the same features, independently of whether
HAP was available.

This example could in principle be replaced with a clause similar to the
vmx side, but it doesn't remove the need for the shadow mask.

There is currently no way for the toolstack to query the cpuid policy,
which means it must have a correct idea of the eventual policy handed to
the guest.  The pv32/64 split isn't interesting in this regard as it
won't change.  HAP vs shadow however is very important to permit
migrating between hap and non-hap capable hosts.

>
>>>>>> +    case 0x80000007:
>>>>>> +        d &= pv_featureset[FEATURESET_e7d];
>>>>>> +        break;
>>>>> By not clearing eax and ebx (not sure about ecx) here you would
>>>>> again expose flags to guests without proper white listing.
>>>>>
>>>>>> +    case 0x80000008:
>>>>>> +        b &= pv_featureset[FEATURESET_e8b];
>>>>>>          break;
>>>>> Same here for ecx and edx and perhaps the upper 8 bits of eax.
>>>> Both of these would be changes to how these things are currently
>>>> handled, whereby a guest gets to see whatever the toolstack managed to
>>>> find in said leaf.  I was hoping to put off some of these decisions, but
>>>> they probably need making now.  On the PV side they definitely can't be
>>>> fully hidden, as these leaves are not maskable.
>>> Right, but many are meaningful primarily to kernels, and there we
>>> can hide them.
>>>
>>> Since you're switching from black to white listing here, I also think
>>> we need a default label alongside the "unsupported" one here.
>>> Similarly I would think XSTATE sub-leaves beyond 63 need hiding
>>> now.
>> I would prefer not to do that now.  It is conflated with the future
>> work, deliberately deferred to make this work a manageable size.
> I understand that you need to set some boundaries for this
> first step. But I also think that we shouldn't stop in the middle
> of switching from black listing to white listing here.

It was always a mixed black/white list which has turned a little less
like a blacklist.  There are still elements of both.

All this series is intended to do is turn the levellable feature bits
themselves to being strictly controlled.

~Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-17 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-05 13:41 [PATCH RFC v2 00/30] x86: Improvements to cpuid handling for guests Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 01/30] xen/x86: Drop X86_FEATURE_3DNOW_ALT Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 02/30] xen/x86: Do not store VIA/Cyrix/Centaur CPU features Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 03/30] xen/x86: Drop cpuinfo_x86.x86_power Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 04/30] xen/x86: Improvements to pv_cpuid() Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 05/30] xen/public: Export cpu featureset information in the public API Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 16:27   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 13:08     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 13:34       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-19 17:29   ` Joao Martins
2016-02-19 17:55     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-19 22:03       ` Joao Martins
2016-02-20 16:17         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-20 17:39           ` Joao Martins
2016-02-20 19:17             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-22 18:50               ` Joao Martins
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 06/30] xen/x86: Script to automatically process featureset information Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 16:36   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-12 16:43     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 07/30] xen/x86: Collect more cpuid feature leaves Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 16:38   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 08/30] xen/x86: Mask out unknown features from Xen's capabilities Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 16:43   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-12 16:48     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 17:14       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 13:12         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 09/30] xen/x86: Store antifeatures inverted in a featureset Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 16:47   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-12 16:50     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 17:15       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 10/30] xen/x86: Annotate VM applicability in featureset Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 17:05   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-12 17:42     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15  9:20       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 14:38         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 14:50           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 14:53             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 15:02               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 15:41                 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 19:02                   ` Is: PVH dom0 - MWAIT detection logic to get deeper C-states exposed in ACPI AML code. Was:Re: " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-17 19:58                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2016-02-18 15:02                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2016-02-18 15:12                       ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-18 16:24                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2016-02-18 16:48                           ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-18 17:03                         ` Roger Pau Monné
2016-02-18 22:08                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-18 15:16                       ` David Vrabel
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 11/30] xen/x86: Calculate maximum host and guest featuresets Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 13:37   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 14:57     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 15:07       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 15:52         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 12/30] xen/x86: Generate deep dependencies of features Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 14:06   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 15:28     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 15:52       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 16:09         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 16:27           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 19:07             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-16  9:54               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:25                 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 10:42                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 13/30] xen/x86: Clear dependent features when clearing a cpu cap Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 14:53   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 15:33     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 14:56   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 14/30] xen/x86: Improve disabling of features which have dependencies Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 15/30] xen/x86: Improvements to in-hypervisor cpuid sanity checks Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 15:43   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 17:12     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-16 10:06       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:43         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 10:55           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 14:02             ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2016-02-17 14:45               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-18 12:17                 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-18 13:23                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 16/30] x86/cpu: Move set_cpumask() calls into c_early_init() Andrew Cooper
2016-02-16 14:10   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:45     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 10:58       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-18 12:41         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 17/30] x86/cpu: Common infrastructure for levelling context switching Andrew Cooper
2016-02-16 14:15   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17  8:15     ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:46       ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 19:06   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 18/30] x86/cpu: Rework AMD masking MSR setup Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  7:40   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:56     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 19/30] x86/cpu: Rework Intel masking/faulting setup Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  7:57   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:59     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 20/30] x86/cpu: Context switch cpuid masks and faulting state in context_switch() Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  8:06   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 21/30] x86/pv: Provide custom cpumasks for PV domains Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  8:13   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 11:03     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 11:14       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-18 12:48         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 22/30] x86/domctl: Update PV domain cpumasks when setting cpuid policy Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  8:22   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 12:13     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 23/30] xen+tools: Export maximum host and guest cpu featuresets via SYSCTL Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:12   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-17  8:30   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 12:17     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 12:23       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 24/30] tools/libxc: Modify bitmap operations to take void pointers Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:12   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-08 11:40     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-08 16:23   ` Tim Deegan
2016-02-08 16:36     ` Ian Campbell
2016-02-10 10:07       ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-10 10:18         ` Ian Campbell
2016-02-18 13:37           ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 20:06         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 25/30] tools/libxc: Use public/featureset.h for cpuid policy generation Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:12   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 26/30] tools/libxc: Expose the automatically generated cpu featuremask information Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:12   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-05 16:15     ` Wei Liu
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 27/30] tools: Utility for dealing with featuresets Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:13   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 28/30] tools/libxc: Wire a featureset through to cpuid policy logic Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:13   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 29/30] tools/libxc: Use featuresets rather than guesswork Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:13   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-17  8:55   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 13:03     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 13:19       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 30/30] tools/libxc: Calculate xstate cpuid leaf from guest information Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 14:28   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 15:22     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-08 17:26 ` [PATCH v2.5 31/30] Fix PV guest XSAVE handling with levelling Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  9:02   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 13:06     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 13:36       ` Jan Beulich

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