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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 15/30] xen/x86: Improvements to in-hypervisor cpuid sanity checks
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 12:17:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56C5B652.9050501@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56C4958002000078000D3361@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 17/02/16 14:45, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 17.02.16 at 15:02, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 17/02/16 10:55, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>> On 17.02.16 at 11:43, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>> On 16/02/16 10:06, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15.02.16 at 18:12, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/02/16 15:43, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 05.02.16 at 14:42, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> @@ -4617,50 +4618,39 @@ void hvm_cpuid(unsigned int input, unsigned int *eax, unsigned int *ebx,
>>>>>>>>          /* Fix up VLAPIC details. */
>>>>>>>>          *ebx &= 0x00FFFFFFu;
>>>>>>>>          *ebx |= (v->vcpu_id * 2) << 24;
>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>> +        *ecx &= hvm_featureset[FEATURESET_1c];
>>>>>>>> +        *edx &= hvm_featureset[FEATURESET_1d];
>>>>>>> Looks like I've overlooked an issue in patch 11, which becomes
>>>>>>> apparent here: How can you use a domain-independent featureset
>>>>>>> here, when features vary between HAP and shadow mode guests?
>>>>>>> I.e. in the earlier patch I suppose you need to calculate two
>>>>>>> hvm_*_featureset[]s, with the HAP one perhaps empty when
>>>>>>> !hvm_funcs.hap_supported.
>>>>>> Their use here is a halfway house between nothing and the planned full
>>>>>> per-domain policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this case, the "don't expose $X to a non-hap domain" checks have been
>>>>>> retained, to cover the difference.
>>>>> Well, doesn't it seem to you that doing only half of the HAP/shadow
>>>>> separation is odd/confusing? I.e. could I talk you into not doing any
>>>>> such separation (enforcing the non-HAP overrides as is done now)
>>>>> or finishing the separation to become visible/usable here?
>>>> The HAP/shadow distinction is needed in the toolstack to account for the
>>>> hap=<bool> option.
>>>>
>>>> The distinction will disappear when per-domain policies are introduced. 
>>>> If you notice, the distinction is private to the data generated by the
>>>> autogen script, and does not form a part of any API/ABI.  The sysctl
>>>> only has a single hvm featureset.
>>> I don't see this as being in line with
>>>
>>>     hvm_featuremask = hvm_funcs.hap_supported ?
>>>         hvm_hap_featuremask : hvm_shadow_featuremask;
>>>
>>> in patch 11. A shadow mode guest should see exactly the same
>>> set of features, regardless of whether HAP was available (and
>>> enabled) on a host.
>> A shadow mode guest will see the same features, independently of whether
>> HAP was available.
> I'm afraid I'm being dense: Either the guest sees the same features,
> which to me implies both of hvm_{hap,shadow}_featuremask are
> identical, or the two masks are different, resulting in different guest
> feature masks (and hence different guest features) depending on
> HAP availability. What am I missing?

A guest booted with hap and a guest booted with shadow will see
different features when booted on the same host.  Hap includes 1GB
superpages, PCID, etc.

The problem comes with a shadow guest booted on a hap-capable host. 
Such a guest can safely be migrated to a non-hap capable host, but only
if the toolstack knows that the guest saw a reduced featureset.

As there is still no interface to query what a guest can actually see
(depends on full per-domain policys and no dynamic hiding), the shadow
featuremask is used by the toolstack as a promise of what the Xen
dynamic checks will do.

~Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-18 12:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-05 13:41 [PATCH RFC v2 00/30] x86: Improvements to cpuid handling for guests Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 01/30] xen/x86: Drop X86_FEATURE_3DNOW_ALT Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 02/30] xen/x86: Do not store VIA/Cyrix/Centaur CPU features Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 03/30] xen/x86: Drop cpuinfo_x86.x86_power Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 04/30] xen/x86: Improvements to pv_cpuid() Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 05/30] xen/public: Export cpu featureset information in the public API Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 16:27   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 13:08     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 13:34       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-19 17:29   ` Joao Martins
2016-02-19 17:55     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-19 22:03       ` Joao Martins
2016-02-20 16:17         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-20 17:39           ` Joao Martins
2016-02-20 19:17             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-22 18:50               ` Joao Martins
2016-02-05 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 06/30] xen/x86: Script to automatically process featureset information Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 16:36   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-12 16:43     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 07/30] xen/x86: Collect more cpuid feature leaves Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 16:38   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 08/30] xen/x86: Mask out unknown features from Xen's capabilities Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 16:43   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-12 16:48     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 17:14       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 13:12         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 09/30] xen/x86: Store antifeatures inverted in a featureset Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 16:47   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-12 16:50     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 17:15       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 10/30] xen/x86: Annotate VM applicability in featureset Andrew Cooper
2016-02-12 17:05   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-12 17:42     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15  9:20       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 14:38         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 14:50           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 14:53             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 15:02               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 15:41                 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 19:02                   ` Is: PVH dom0 - MWAIT detection logic to get deeper C-states exposed in ACPI AML code. Was:Re: " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-17 19:58                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2016-02-18 15:02                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2016-02-18 15:12                       ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-18 16:24                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2016-02-18 16:48                           ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-18 17:03                         ` Roger Pau Monné
2016-02-18 22:08                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-18 15:16                       ` David Vrabel
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 11/30] xen/x86: Calculate maximum host and guest featuresets Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 13:37   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 14:57     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 15:07       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 15:52         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 12/30] xen/x86: Generate deep dependencies of features Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 14:06   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 15:28     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 15:52       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 16:09         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 16:27           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 19:07             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-16  9:54               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:25                 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 10:42                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 13/30] xen/x86: Clear dependent features when clearing a cpu cap Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 14:53   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 15:33     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 14:56   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 14/30] xen/x86: Improve disabling of features which have dependencies Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 15/30] xen/x86: Improvements to in-hypervisor cpuid sanity checks Andrew Cooper
2016-02-15 15:43   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 17:12     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-16 10:06       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:43         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 10:55           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 14:02             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 14:45               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-18 12:17                 ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2016-02-18 13:23                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 16/30] x86/cpu: Move set_cpumask() calls into c_early_init() Andrew Cooper
2016-02-16 14:10   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:45     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 10:58       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-18 12:41         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 17/30] x86/cpu: Common infrastructure for levelling context switching Andrew Cooper
2016-02-16 14:15   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17  8:15     ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:46       ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 19:06   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 18/30] x86/cpu: Rework AMD masking MSR setup Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  7:40   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:56     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 19/30] x86/cpu: Rework Intel masking/faulting setup Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  7:57   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:59     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 20/30] x86/cpu: Context switch cpuid masks and faulting state in context_switch() Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  8:06   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 21/30] x86/pv: Provide custom cpumasks for PV domains Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  8:13   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 11:03     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 11:14       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-18 12:48         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 22/30] x86/domctl: Update PV domain cpumasks when setting cpuid policy Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  8:22   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 12:13     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 23/30] xen+tools: Export maximum host and guest cpu featuresets via SYSCTL Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:12   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-17  8:30   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 12:17     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 12:23       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 24/30] tools/libxc: Modify bitmap operations to take void pointers Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:12   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-08 11:40     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-08 16:23   ` Tim Deegan
2016-02-08 16:36     ` Ian Campbell
2016-02-10 10:07       ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-10 10:18         ` Ian Campbell
2016-02-18 13:37           ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 20:06         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 25/30] tools/libxc: Use public/featureset.h for cpuid policy generation Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:12   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 26/30] tools/libxc: Expose the automatically generated cpu featuremask information Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:12   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-05 16:15     ` Wei Liu
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 27/30] tools: Utility for dealing with featuresets Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:13   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 28/30] tools/libxc: Wire a featureset through to cpuid policy logic Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:13   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 29/30] tools/libxc: Use featuresets rather than guesswork Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 16:13   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-17  8:55   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 13:03     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 13:19       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 30/30] tools/libxc: Calculate xstate cpuid leaf from guest information Andrew Cooper
2016-02-05 14:28   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 15:22     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-08 17:26 ` [PATCH v2.5 31/30] Fix PV guest XSAVE handling with levelling Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17  9:02   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 13:06     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-17 13:36       ` Jan Beulich

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