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From: Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
	Jerome Marchand <jmarchan@redhat.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"jweiner@redhat.com" <jweiner@redhat.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"riel@redhat.com" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"lwoodman@redhat.com" <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	"shaohua.li@intel.com" <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
	"dle-develop@lists.sourceforge.net" 
	<dle-develop@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Seiji Aguchi <seiji.aguchi@hds.com>
Subject: RE: [RFC][PATCH] avoid swapping out with swappiness==0
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:21:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <65795E11DBF1E645A09CEC7EAEE94B9C014575D8CF@USINDEVS02.corp.hds.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F7C870B.6020807@gmail.com>

Hi,

Sorry for my late reply.

On 04/04/2012 01:38 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> (4/3/12 4:25 AM), Jerome Marchand wrote:
>> On 04/02/2012 07:10 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>>> 2012/3/30 Satoru Moriya<satoru.moriya@hds.com>:
>>>> So the kernel reclaims pages like following.
>>>>
>>>> nr_free + nr_filebacked>= watermark_high: reclaim only filebacked pages
>>>> nr_free + nr_filebacked<   watermark_high: reclaim only anonymous pages
>>>
>>> How?
>>
>> get_scan_count() checks that case explicitly:
>>
>>     if (global_reclaim(sc)) {
>>         free  = zone_page_state(mz->zone, NR_FREE_PAGES);
>>         /* If we have very few page cache pages,
>>            force-scan anon pages. */
>>         if (unlikely(file + free<= high_wmark_pages(mz->zone))) {
>>             fraction[0] = 1;
>>             fraction[1] = 0;
>>             denominator = 1;
>>             goto out;
>>         }
>>     }
> 
> Eek. This is silly. Nowaday many people enabled THP and it increase zone watermark.
> so, high watermask is not good threshold anymore.

Ah yes, it is not so small now.
On 4GB server, without THP min_free_kbytes is 8113 but
with THP it is 67584.

How about using low watermark or min watermark?
Are they still big?

...or should we use other value? 

Regards,
Satoru

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From: Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
	Jerome Marchand <jmarchan@redhat.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"jweiner@redhat.com" <jweiner@redhat.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"riel@redhat.com" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"lwoodman@redhat.com" <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	"shaohua.li@intel.com" <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
	"dle-develop@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<dle-develop@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Seiji Aguchi <seiji.aguchi@hds.com>
Subject: RE: [RFC][PATCH] avoid swapping out with swappiness==0
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:21:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <65795E11DBF1E645A09CEC7EAEE94B9C014575D8CF@USINDEVS02.corp.hds.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F7C870B.6020807@gmail.com>

Hi,

Sorry for my late reply.

On 04/04/2012 01:38 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> (4/3/12 4:25 AM), Jerome Marchand wrote:
>> On 04/02/2012 07:10 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>>> 2012/3/30 Satoru Moriya<satoru.moriya@hds.com>:
>>>> So the kernel reclaims pages like following.
>>>>
>>>> nr_free + nr_filebacked>= watermark_high: reclaim only filebacked pages
>>>> nr_free + nr_filebacked<   watermark_high: reclaim only anonymous pages
>>>
>>> How?
>>
>> get_scan_count() checks that case explicitly:
>>
>>     if (global_reclaim(sc)) {
>>         free  = zone_page_state(mz->zone, NR_FREE_PAGES);
>>         /* If we have very few page cache pages,
>>            force-scan anon pages. */
>>         if (unlikely(file + free<= high_wmark_pages(mz->zone))) {
>>             fraction[0] = 1;
>>             fraction[1] = 0;
>>             denominator = 1;
>>             goto out;
>>         }
>>     }
> 
> Eek. This is silly. Nowaday many people enabled THP and it increase zone watermark.
> so, high watermask is not good threshold anymore.

Ah yes, it is not so small now.
On 4GB server, without THP min_free_kbytes is 8113 but
with THP it is 67584.

How about using low watermark or min watermark?
Are they still big?

...or should we use other value? 

Regards,
Satoru

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-21  0:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-02 17:36 [RFC][PATCH] avoid swapping out with swappiness==0 Satoru Moriya
2012-03-02 17:36 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-02 22:47 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-02 22:47   ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-02 23:43   ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-02 23:43     ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-03  2:29   ` Hillf Danton
2012-03-03  2:29     ` Hillf Danton
2012-03-04  6:57 ` Minchan Kim
2012-03-04  6:57   ` Minchan Kim
2012-03-05 21:38   ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-05 21:38     ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-05 13:49 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-05 13:49   ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-05 21:56 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-03-05 21:56   ` Johannes Weiner
2012-03-07 17:19   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-03-07 17:19     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-03-07 18:18     ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-07 18:18       ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-30 22:44       ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-30 22:44         ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-02 17:10         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-02 17:10           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-03 11:25           ` Jerome Marchand
2012-04-03 11:25             ` Jerome Marchand
2012-04-03 15:15             ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-03 15:15               ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-04 17:38             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-04 17:38               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-21  0:21               ` Satoru Moriya [this message]
2012-04-21  0:21                 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-05-11 21:11                 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-05-11 21:11                   ` Satoru Moriya
2012-05-12 22:21                   ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-12 22:21                     ` Rik van Riel
2012-04-24  8:20       ` Richard Davies
2012-04-24  8:20         ` Richard Davies
2012-04-24 22:14         ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-24 22:14           ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-26 14:26           ` Richard Davies
2012-04-26 14:26             ` Richard Davies
2012-04-26 15:41             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-26 15:41               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-07 20:09               ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-07 20:09                 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-08  0:05                 ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-08  0:05                   ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-21  7:12                 ` Richard Davies
2012-05-21  7:12                   ` Richard Davies
2012-05-21 13:39                   ` Satoru Moriya
2012-05-21 13:39                     ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-26 14:50         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-04-26 14:50           ` Christoph Lameter
2012-04-26 15:37           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-26 15:37             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-26 16:08             ` Richard Davies
2012-04-26 16:08               ` Richard Davies
2012-04-26 18:20             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-04-26 18:20               ` Christoph Lameter
2012-04-27 13:55           ` Rik van Riel
2012-04-27 13:55             ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-07 20:11 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-07 20:11   ` Rik van Riel

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