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From: Igor Zhbanov <i.zhbanov@omprussia.ru>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@google.com>
Cc: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-integrity <linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Should mprotect(..., PROT_EXEC) be checked by IMA?
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 21:08:25 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7331263b-3994-3fa8-e28b-6d791ace4ee4@omprussia.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACdnJut6YfLnq-nCC1hHTrKYXabHoSEXN1wMuCyVybU+o_iwCg@mail.gmail.com>

On 20.03.2019 20:23, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 1:11 AM Igor Zhbanov <i.zhbanov@omprussia.ru> wrote:
>> My point was about better protecting of shared libraries making life harder
>> for exploits that are downloading extra code from external servers.
> 
> Like you said, they can implement this by copying the code from
> read-only pages to separate executable pages. It does make it harder,
> but not to a huge degree - anything that's mprotect()ing file-backed
> pages to PROT_EXEC later is presumably doing so to avoid IMA, and
> making this change will just encourage them to add further
> workarounds. Since this is a fight we literally can't win, what's the
> benefit?

Well, may be it would be enough to:
1) Verify with IMA every file root processes read,
2) Use seccomp to forbid mprotect(..., PROT_EXEC) for 99% of processes,
    so they would have to use normal mmap(..., PROT_EXEC, ...) to load the
    code.

P.S. #2 should also protect against patching already mapped executable pages
because they are typically mapped read-only, so one would use
mprotect(..., PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE | PROT_EXEC) to enable write access
to it. So with #2 it wouldn't even be possible to reuse already mapped
pages nor to create new.

May be #2 could be implemented as a separate thing to avoid writing eBPF
seccomp filters to check mprotect() argument for rised PROT_EXEC flag.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-20 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-18 15:18 Should mprotect(..., PROT_EXEC) be checked by IMA? Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-18 21:48 ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-19  7:50   ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-19 11:22     ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-19 12:19       ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-19 17:05         ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-20  8:11           ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-20 17:23             ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-20 18:08               ` Igor Zhbanov [this message]
2019-03-21 11:21               ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-21 11:48                 ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-21 18:04                   ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-22  7:59                     ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-28 17:17                       ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-29 10:00                         ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-29 10:59                           ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-29 11:51                             ` Jordan Glover
2019-03-29 12:28                             ` Stephen Smalley
2019-03-29 12:50                               ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-04-02 22:31                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-04-03  9:59                                   ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-04-03 16:58                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2019-04-03 17:31                                       ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-04-03 18:19                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2019-04-03 18:47                                           ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-04-03 19:25                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2019-04-04 11:44                                               ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-04-03 12:11                                   ` Mimi Zohar
2019-04-03 13:18                                     ` Perez Yves-Alexis
2019-04-03 11:57                                 ` Mimi Zohar
2019-04-03 13:10                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2019-04-03 14:33                                     ` Mimi Zohar
2019-04-03 14:33                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2019-04-03 16:21                                         ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-21 18:13                 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-19 17:07         ` Matthew Garrett

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