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From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Igor Zhbanov <i.zhbanov@omprussia.ru>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@google.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	John Johansen <john.johansen@canonical.com>
Cc: linux-integrity <linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Should mprotect(..., PROT_EXEC) be checked by IMA?
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 10:33:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d40b94ed-b9c8-d877-b109-d45c5472ae15@tycho.nsa.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1554301990.7309.71.camel@linux.ibm.com>

On 4/3/19 10:33 AM, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> On Wed, 2019-04-03 at 09:10 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>> On 4/3/19 7:57 AM, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> 
>>> Let's separate the different types of attacks.  From an IMA
>>> perspective, memory attacks are out of scope.  That leaves mmap'ed
>>> files, possibly just mmap'ed shared files.  Currently IMA can be
>>> configured to verify a file's integrity, based on signatures, being
>>> mmap'ed execute.  Assuming that not all files opened require a file
>>> signature, a file could be mmap'ed read/write and later changed to
>>> execute to circumvent the mmap'ed execute signature requirement.  If
>>> the existing LSMs are able to prevent this sort of attack, we could
>>> just document this requirement.
>>
>> I guess I don't understand why IMA isn't already being called from
>> security_file_mprotect(). security_file_mprotect() could just call
>> ima_file_mmap(vma->vm_file, prot) if all of the security hooks pass.
>>
>> SELinux can be used to prevent unauthorized mprotect PROT_EXEC but it
>> won't perform a measurement of the file if it is allowed by policy.
> 
>  From a measurement perspective, this will at least measure the file,
> but the call to ima_file_mmap() will verify the file signature against
> the file, not what is currently in memory, right?

Yes, but you can use SELinux to prevent that (don't allow execmem or 
execmod permissions for that domain).




  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-03 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-18 15:18 Should mprotect(..., PROT_EXEC) be checked by IMA? Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-18 21:48 ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-19  7:50   ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-19 11:22     ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-19 12:19       ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-19 17:05         ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-20  8:11           ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-20 17:23             ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-20 18:08               ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-21 11:21               ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-21 11:48                 ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-21 18:04                   ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-22  7:59                     ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-28 17:17                       ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-29 10:00                         ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-03-29 10:59                           ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-29 11:51                             ` Jordan Glover
2019-03-29 12:28                             ` Stephen Smalley
2019-03-29 12:50                               ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-04-02 22:31                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-04-03  9:59                                   ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-04-03 16:58                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2019-04-03 17:31                                       ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-04-03 18:19                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2019-04-03 18:47                                           ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-04-03 19:25                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2019-04-04 11:44                                               ` Igor Zhbanov
2019-04-03 12:11                                   ` Mimi Zohar
2019-04-03 13:18                                     ` Perez Yves-Alexis
2019-04-03 11:57                                 ` Mimi Zohar
2019-04-03 13:10                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2019-04-03 14:33                                     ` Mimi Zohar
2019-04-03 14:33                                       ` Stephen Smalley [this message]
2019-04-03 16:21                                         ` Mimi Zohar
2019-03-21 18:13                 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-19 17:07         ` Matthew Garrett

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