* [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again @ 2023-05-30 17:53 Mario Limonciello 2023-05-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 2/2] drm/amd: Make lack of `ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0` or `CONFIG_AMD_PMC` louder during suspend path Mario Limonciello 2023-05-30 18:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again Alex Deucher 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Mario Limonciello @ 2023-05-30 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: amd-gfx; +Cc: Mario Limonciello, Rafael Ávila de Espíndola commit cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") showed improvements to power consumption over suspend when s0ix wasn't enabled in BIOS and the system didn't support S3. This patch however was misguided because the reason the system didn't support S3 was because SMT was disabled in OEM BIOS setup. This prevented the BIOS from allowing S3. Also allowing GPUs to use the s2idle path actually causes problems if they're invoked on systems that may not support s2idle in the platform firmware. `systemd` has a tendency to try to use `s2idle` if `deep` fails for any reason, which could lead to unexpected flows. To make this the behavior discoverable and expected, revert commit cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") and offer a message if SMT appears to be disabled. Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola <rafael@espindo.la> Link: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.1/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c#L1060 Closes: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2599 Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com> --- drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c | 16 ++++++++++++++-- 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c index 3a6b2e2089f6..a3523d03d769 100644 --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ #include <linux/xarray.h> #include <linux/power_supply.h> #include <linux/pm_runtime.h> +#include <linux/sched/smt.h> #include <linux/suspend.h> #include <acpi/video.h> #include <acpi/actbl.h> @@ -1473,6 +1474,13 @@ void amdgpu_acpi_release(void) */ bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s3_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) { +#ifdef CONFIG_X86 + if (!sched_smt_active()) { + dev_warn_once(adev->dev, + "SMT is disabled by the BIOS.\n" + "To use suspend-to-ram enable SMT in BIOS setup.\n"); + } +#endif return !(adev->flags & AMD_IS_APU) || (pm_suspend_target_state == PM_SUSPEND_MEM); } @@ -1499,16 +1507,20 @@ bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s0ix_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) * S0ix even though the system is suspending to idle, so return false * in that case. */ - if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) + if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) { dev_warn_once(adev->dev, "Power consumption will be higher as BIOS has not been configured for suspend-to-idle.\n" "To use suspend-to-idle change the sleep mode in BIOS setup.\n"); + return false; + } #if !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_AMD_PMC) dev_warn_once(adev->dev, "Power consumption will be higher as the kernel has not been compiled with CONFIG_AMD_PMC.\n"); -#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ + return false; +#else return true; +#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ } #endif /* CONFIG_SUSPEND */ -- 2.34.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* [PATCH 2/2] drm/amd: Make lack of `ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0` or `CONFIG_AMD_PMC` louder during suspend path 2023-05-30 17:53 [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again Mario Limonciello @ 2023-05-30 17:53 ` Mario Limonciello 2023-05-30 18:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again Alex Deucher 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Mario Limonciello @ 2023-05-30 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: amd-gfx; +Cc: Mario Limonciello Users have reported that s2idle wasn't working on OEM Phoenix systems, but it was root caused to be because `CONFIG_AMD_PMC` wasn't set in the distribution kernel config. To make this more apparent, raise the messaging to err instead of warn. Link: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217497 Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com> --- drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c | 4 ++-- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c index a3523d03d769..f8b117afd5b1 100644 --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c @@ -1508,14 +1508,14 @@ bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s0ix_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) * in that case. */ if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) { - dev_warn_once(adev->dev, + dev_err_once(adev->dev, "Power consumption will be higher as BIOS has not been configured for suspend-to-idle.\n" "To use suspend-to-idle change the sleep mode in BIOS setup.\n"); return false; } #if !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_AMD_PMC) - dev_warn_once(adev->dev, + dev_err_once(adev->dev, "Power consumption will be higher as the kernel has not been compiled with CONFIG_AMD_PMC.\n"); return false; #else -- 2.34.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again 2023-05-30 17:53 [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again Mario Limonciello 2023-05-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 2/2] drm/amd: Make lack of `ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0` or `CONFIG_AMD_PMC` louder during suspend path Mario Limonciello @ 2023-05-30 18:15 ` Alex Deucher 2023-05-30 18:19 ` Limonciello, Mario 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Alex Deucher @ 2023-05-30 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mario Limonciello; +Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola, amd-gfx On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:53 PM Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com> wrote: > > commit cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") showed > improvements to power consumption over suspend when s0ix wasn't enabled in > BIOS and the system didn't support S3. > > This patch however was misguided because the reason the system didn't > support S3 was because SMT was disabled in OEM BIOS setup. > This prevented the BIOS from allowing S3. > > Also allowing GPUs to use the s2idle path actually causes problems if > they're invoked on systems that may not support s2idle in the platform > firmware. `systemd` has a tendency to try to use `s2idle` if `deep` fails > for any reason, which could lead to unexpected flows. > > To make this the behavior discoverable and expected, revert commit > cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") and offer > a message if SMT appears to be disabled. > > Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola <rafael@espindo.la> > Link: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.1/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c#L1060 > Closes: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2599 > Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com> > --- > drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c | 16 ++++++++++++++-- > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > index 3a6b2e2089f6..a3523d03d769 100644 > --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ > #include <linux/xarray.h> > #include <linux/power_supply.h> > #include <linux/pm_runtime.h> > +#include <linux/sched/smt.h> > #include <linux/suspend.h> > #include <acpi/video.h> > #include <acpi/actbl.h> > @@ -1473,6 +1474,13 @@ void amdgpu_acpi_release(void) > */ > bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s3_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) > { > +#ifdef CONFIG_X86 > + if (!sched_smt_active()) { > + dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > + "SMT is disabled by the BIOS.\n" > + "To use suspend-to-ram enable SMT in BIOS setup.\n"); > + } > +#endif Will this generate a spurious warning on platforms that are natively non-SMT? Alex > return !(adev->flags & AMD_IS_APU) || > (pm_suspend_target_state == PM_SUSPEND_MEM); > } > @@ -1499,16 +1507,20 @@ bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s0ix_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) > * S0ix even though the system is suspending to idle, so return false > * in that case. > */ > - if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) > + if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) { > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > "Power consumption will be higher as BIOS has not been configured for suspend-to-idle.\n" > "To use suspend-to-idle change the sleep mode in BIOS setup.\n"); > + return false; > + } > > #if !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_AMD_PMC) > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > "Power consumption will be higher as the kernel has not been compiled with CONFIG_AMD_PMC.\n"); > -#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ > + return false; > +#else > return true; > +#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ > } > > #endif /* CONFIG_SUSPEND */ > -- > 2.34.1 > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* RE: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again 2023-05-30 18:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again Alex Deucher @ 2023-05-30 18:19 ` Limonciello, Mario 2023-05-30 18:30 ` Rafael Ávila de Espíndola 2023-05-30 21:34 ` Alex Deucher 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Limonciello, Mario @ 2023-05-30 18:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alex Deucher; +Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola, amd-gfx [AMD Official Use Only - General] > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:16 PM > To: Limonciello, Mario <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> > Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org; Rafael Ávila de Espíndola > <rafael@espindo.la> > Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again > > On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:53 PM Mario Limonciello > <mario.limonciello@amd.com> wrote: > > > > commit cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") > showed > > improvements to power consumption over suspend when s0ix wasn't > enabled in > > BIOS and the system didn't support S3. > > > > This patch however was misguided because the reason the system didn't > > support S3 was because SMT was disabled in OEM BIOS setup. > > This prevented the BIOS from allowing S3. > > > > Also allowing GPUs to use the s2idle path actually causes problems if > > they're invoked on systems that may not support s2idle in the platform > > firmware. `systemd` has a tendency to try to use `s2idle` if `deep` fails > > for any reason, which could lead to unexpected flows. > > > > To make this the behavior discoverable and expected, revert commit > > cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") and offer > > a message if SMT appears to be disabled. > > > > Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola <rafael@espindo.la> > > Link: > https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.1/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu > /amdgpu_acpi.c#L1060 > > Closes: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2599 > > Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com> > > --- > > drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c | 16 ++++++++++++++-- > > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > > > diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > index 3a6b2e2089f6..a3523d03d769 100644 > > --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ > > #include <linux/xarray.h> > > #include <linux/power_supply.h> > > #include <linux/pm_runtime.h> > > +#include <linux/sched/smt.h> > > #include <linux/suspend.h> > > #include <acpi/video.h> > > #include <acpi/actbl.h> > > @@ -1473,6 +1474,13 @@ void amdgpu_acpi_release(void) > > */ > > bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s3_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) > > { > > +#ifdef CONFIG_X86 > > + if (!sched_smt_active()) { > > + dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > > + "SMT is disabled by the BIOS.\n" > > + "To use suspend-to-ram enable SMT in BIOS setup.\n"); > > + } > > +#endif > > Will this generate a spurious warning on platforms that are natively non-SMT? Yeah; it could. I'm not sure how we can reliably detect this. I thought about looking for the 'ht' flag, but that probably wouldn't work for this case. Are there AMD Zen CPUs or APUs that are non-SMT? Could gate the sched_smt_active() check to only run when it's an AMD x86 Zen SoC. > > Alex > > > return !(adev->flags & AMD_IS_APU) || > > (pm_suspend_target_state == PM_SUSPEND_MEM); > > } > > @@ -1499,16 +1507,20 @@ bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s0ix_active(struct > amdgpu_device *adev) > > * S0ix even though the system is suspending to idle, so return false > > * in that case. > > */ > > - if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) > > + if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) { > > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > > "Power consumption will be higher as BIOS has not been > configured for suspend-to-idle.\n" > > "To use suspend-to-idle change the sleep mode in BIOS > setup.\n"); > > + return false; > > + } > > > > #if !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_AMD_PMC) > > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > > "Power consumption will be higher as the kernel has not been > compiled with CONFIG_AMD_PMC.\n"); > > -#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ > > + return false; > > +#else > > return true; > > +#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ > > } > > > > #endif /* CONFIG_SUSPEND */ > > -- > > 2.34.1 > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* RE: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again 2023-05-30 18:19 ` Limonciello, Mario @ 2023-05-30 18:30 ` Rafael Ávila de Espíndola 2023-05-30 18:37 ` Limonciello, Mario 2023-05-30 21:34 ` Alex Deucher 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola @ 2023-05-30 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Limonciello, Mario, Alex Deucher; +Cc: amd-gfx As far as I know the "no S3 if SMT off" is just an oddity of the particular BIOS I got on the "B550I AORUS PRO AX". Also, what has changed that would prevent the same issue I was hitting before?: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2364#note_1735422 Cheers, Rafael "Limonciello, Mario" <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> writes: > [AMD Official Use Only - General] > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:16 PM >> To: Limonciello, Mario <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> >> Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org; Rafael Ávila de Espíndola >> <rafael@espindo.la> >> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:53 PM Mario Limonciello >> <mario.limonciello@amd.com> wrote: >> > >> > commit cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") >> showed >> > improvements to power consumption over suspend when s0ix wasn't >> enabled in >> > BIOS and the system didn't support S3. >> > >> > This patch however was misguided because the reason the system didn't >> > support S3 was because SMT was disabled in OEM BIOS setup. >> > This prevented the BIOS from allowing S3. >> > >> > Also allowing GPUs to use the s2idle path actually causes problems if >> > they're invoked on systems that may not support s2idle in the platform >> > firmware. `systemd` has a tendency to try to use `s2idle` if `deep` fails >> > for any reason, which could lead to unexpected flows. >> > >> > To make this the behavior discoverable and expected, revert commit >> > cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") and offer >> > a message if SMT appears to be disabled. >> > >> > Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola <rafael@espindo.la> >> > Link: >> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.1/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu >> /amdgpu_acpi.c#L1060 >> > Closes: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2599 >> > Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com> >> > --- >> > drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c | 16 ++++++++++++++-- >> > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) >> > >> > diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c >> b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c >> > index 3a6b2e2089f6..a3523d03d769 100644 >> > --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c >> > +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c >> > @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ >> > #include <linux/xarray.h> >> > #include <linux/power_supply.h> >> > #include <linux/pm_runtime.h> >> > +#include <linux/sched/smt.h> >> > #include <linux/suspend.h> >> > #include <acpi/video.h> >> > #include <acpi/actbl.h> >> > @@ -1473,6 +1474,13 @@ void amdgpu_acpi_release(void) >> > */ >> > bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s3_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) >> > { >> > +#ifdef CONFIG_X86 >> > + if (!sched_smt_active()) { >> > + dev_warn_once(adev->dev, >> > + "SMT is disabled by the BIOS.\n" >> > + "To use suspend-to-ram enable SMT in BIOS setup.\n"); >> > + } >> > +#endif >> >> Will this generate a spurious warning on platforms that are natively non-SMT? > > Yeah; it could. I'm not sure how we can reliably detect this. I thought about looking for > the 'ht' flag, but that probably wouldn't work for this case. > > Are there AMD Zen CPUs or APUs that are non-SMT? Could gate the sched_smt_active() > check to only run when it's an AMD x86 Zen SoC. > >> >> Alex >> >> > return !(adev->flags & AMD_IS_APU) || >> > (pm_suspend_target_state == PM_SUSPEND_MEM); >> > } >> > @@ -1499,16 +1507,20 @@ bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s0ix_active(struct >> amdgpu_device *adev) >> > * S0ix even though the system is suspending to idle, so return false >> > * in that case. >> > */ >> > - if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) >> > + if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) { >> > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, >> > "Power consumption will be higher as BIOS has not been >> configured for suspend-to-idle.\n" >> > "To use suspend-to-idle change the sleep mode in BIOS >> setup.\n"); >> > + return false; >> > + } >> > >> > #if !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_AMD_PMC) >> > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, >> > "Power consumption will be higher as the kernel has not been >> compiled with CONFIG_AMD_PMC.\n"); >> > -#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ >> > + return false; >> > +#else >> > return true; >> > +#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ >> > } >> > >> > #endif /* CONFIG_SUSPEND */ >> > -- >> > 2.34.1 >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* RE: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again 2023-05-30 18:30 ` Rafael Ávila de Espíndola @ 2023-05-30 18:37 ` Limonciello, Mario 2023-05-30 18:53 ` Limonciello, Mario 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Limonciello, Mario @ 2023-05-30 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola, Alex Deucher; +Cc: amd-gfx [AMD Official Use Only - General] > As far as I know the "no S3 if SMT off" is just an oddity of the > particular BIOS I got on the "B550I AORUS PRO AX". In that case, maybe the message should be downgraded to INFO, and only shown in the case that s3 is not supported on APUs. This will narrow it quite a bit then. > > Also, what has changed that would prevent the same issue I was hitting > before?: > > https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2364#note_1735422 > This commit in 6.3: ca4751866397 ("drm/amd: Don't allow s0ix on APUs older than Raven") > Cheers, > Rafael > > "Limonciello, Mario" <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> writes: > > > [AMD Official Use Only - General] > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:16 PM > >> To: Limonciello, Mario <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> > >> Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org; Rafael Ávila de Espíndola > >> <rafael@espindo.la> > >> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support > again > >> > >> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:53 PM Mario Limonciello > >> <mario.limonciello@amd.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > commit cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") > >> showed > >> > improvements to power consumption over suspend when s0ix wasn't > >> enabled in > >> > BIOS and the system didn't support S3. > >> > > >> > This patch however was misguided because the reason the system didn't > >> > support S3 was because SMT was disabled in OEM BIOS setup. > >> > This prevented the BIOS from allowing S3. > >> > > >> > Also allowing GPUs to use the s2idle path actually causes problems if > >> > they're invoked on systems that may not support s2idle in the platform > >> > firmware. `systemd` has a tendency to try to use `s2idle` if `deep` fails > >> > for any reason, which could lead to unexpected flows. > >> > > >> > To make this the behavior discoverable and expected, revert commit > >> > cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") and offer > >> > a message if SMT appears to be disabled. > >> > > >> > Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola <rafael@espindo.la> > >> > Link: > >> > https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.1/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu > >> /amdgpu_acpi.c#L1060 > >> > Closes: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2599 > >> > Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com> > >> > --- > >> > drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c | 16 ++++++++++++++-- > >> > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > >> > > >> > diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > >> b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > >> > index 3a6b2e2089f6..a3523d03d769 100644 > >> > --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > >> > +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > >> > @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ > >> > #include <linux/xarray.h> > >> > #include <linux/power_supply.h> > >> > #include <linux/pm_runtime.h> > >> > +#include <linux/sched/smt.h> > >> > #include <linux/suspend.h> > >> > #include <acpi/video.h> > >> > #include <acpi/actbl.h> > >> > @@ -1473,6 +1474,13 @@ void amdgpu_acpi_release(void) > >> > */ > >> > bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s3_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) > >> > { > >> > +#ifdef CONFIG_X86 > >> > + if (!sched_smt_active()) { > >> > + dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > >> > + "SMT is disabled by the BIOS.\n" > >> > + "To use suspend-to-ram enable SMT in BIOS setup.\n"); > >> > + } > >> > +#endif > >> > >> Will this generate a spurious warning on platforms that are natively non- > SMT? > > > > Yeah; it could. I'm not sure how we can reliably detect this. I thought about > looking for > > the 'ht' flag, but that probably wouldn't work for this case. > > > > Are there AMD Zen CPUs or APUs that are non-SMT? Could gate the > sched_smt_active() > > check to only run when it's an AMD x86 Zen SoC. > > > >> > >> Alex > >> > >> > return !(adev->flags & AMD_IS_APU) || > >> > (pm_suspend_target_state == PM_SUSPEND_MEM); > >> > } > >> > @@ -1499,16 +1507,20 @@ bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s0ix_active(struct > >> amdgpu_device *adev) > >> > * S0ix even though the system is suspending to idle, so return false > >> > * in that case. > >> > */ > >> > - if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) > >> > + if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) { > >> > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > >> > "Power consumption will be higher as BIOS has not been > >> configured for suspend-to-idle.\n" > >> > "To use suspend-to-idle change the sleep mode in BIOS > >> setup.\n"); > >> > + return false; > >> > + } > >> > > >> > #if !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_AMD_PMC) > >> > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > >> > "Power consumption will be higher as the kernel has not been > >> compiled with CONFIG_AMD_PMC.\n"); > >> > -#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ > >> > + return false; > >> > +#else > >> > return true; > >> > +#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ > >> > } > >> > > >> > #endif /* CONFIG_SUSPEND */ > >> > -- > >> > 2.34.1 > >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* RE: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again 2023-05-30 18:37 ` Limonciello, Mario @ 2023-05-30 18:53 ` Limonciello, Mario 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Limonciello, Mario @ 2023-05-30 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola, Alex Deucher; +Cc: amd-gfx [AMD Official Use Only - General] > -----Original Message----- > From: Limonciello, Mario > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:38 PM > To: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola <rafael@espindo.la>; Alex Deucher > <alexdeucher@gmail.com> > Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org > Subject: RE: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again > > > As far as I know the "no S3 if SMT off" is just an oddity of the > > particular BIOS I got on the "B550I AORUS PRO AX". > > In that case, maybe the message should be downgraded to INFO, and > only shown in the case that s3 is not supported on APUs. This will > narrow it quite a bit then. Here's my proposal to narrow it down better. bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s3_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) { /* dGPUs always go to S3 */ if (!(adev->flags & AMD_IS_APU)) return true; /* the kernel has found support for S3 and user selected it */ if (pm_suspend_target_state == PM_SUSPEND_MEM) return true; #ifdef CONFIG_X86 if (boot_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_ZEN) && !sched_smt_active()) { dev_info_once(adev->dev, "SMT is disabled (possibly by the BIOS).\n" "To use suspend-to-ram enable SMT in BIOS setup.\n"); } #endif return false; } > > > > > Also, what has changed that would prevent the same issue I was hitting > > before?: > > > > https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2364#note_1735422 > > > > This commit in 6.3: > ca4751866397 ("drm/amd: Don't allow s0ix on APUs older than Raven") > > > Cheers, > > Rafael > > > > "Limonciello, Mario" <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> writes: > > > > > [AMD Official Use Only - General] > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:16 PM > > >> To: Limonciello, Mario <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> > > >> Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org; Rafael Ávila de Espíndola > > >> <rafael@espindo.la> > > >> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support > > again > > >> > > >> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:53 PM Mario Limonciello > > >> <mario.limonciello@amd.com> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > commit cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") > > >> showed > > >> > improvements to power consumption over suspend when s0ix wasn't > > >> enabled in > > >> > BIOS and the system didn't support S3. > > >> > > > >> > This patch however was misguided because the reason the system > didn't > > >> > support S3 was because SMT was disabled in OEM BIOS setup. > > >> > This prevented the BIOS from allowing S3. > > >> > > > >> > Also allowing GPUs to use the s2idle path actually causes problems if > > >> > they're invoked on systems that may not support s2idle in the platform > > >> > firmware. `systemd` has a tendency to try to use `s2idle` if `deep` fails > > >> > for any reason, which could lead to unexpected flows. > > >> > > > >> > To make this the behavior discoverable and expected, revert commit > > >> > cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") and offer > > >> > a message if SMT appears to be disabled. > > >> > > > >> > Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola <rafael@espindo.la> > > >> > Link: > > >> > > > https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.1/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu > > >> /amdgpu_acpi.c#L1060 > > >> > Closes: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2599 > > >> > Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com> > > >> > --- > > >> > drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c | 16 > ++++++++++++++-- > > >> > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > >> > > > >> > diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > >> b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > >> > index 3a6b2e2089f6..a3523d03d769 100644 > > >> > --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > >> > +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > >> > @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ > > >> > #include <linux/xarray.h> > > >> > #include <linux/power_supply.h> > > >> > #include <linux/pm_runtime.h> > > >> > +#include <linux/sched/smt.h> > > >> > #include <linux/suspend.h> > > >> > #include <acpi/video.h> > > >> > #include <acpi/actbl.h> > > >> > @@ -1473,6 +1474,13 @@ void amdgpu_acpi_release(void) > > >> > */ > > >> > bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s3_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) > > >> > { > > >> > +#ifdef CONFIG_X86 > > >> > + if (!sched_smt_active()) { > > >> > + dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > > >> > + "SMT is disabled by the BIOS.\n" > > >> > + "To use suspend-to-ram enable SMT in BIOS setup.\n"); > > >> > + } > > >> > +#endif > > >> > > >> Will this generate a spurious warning on platforms that are natively non- > > SMT? > > > > > > Yeah; it could. I'm not sure how we can reliably detect this. I thought > about > > looking for > > > the 'ht' flag, but that probably wouldn't work for this case. > > > > > > Are there AMD Zen CPUs or APUs that are non-SMT? Could gate the > > sched_smt_active() > > > check to only run when it's an AMD x86 Zen SoC. > > > > > >> > > >> Alex > > >> > > >> > return !(adev->flags & AMD_IS_APU) || > > >> > (pm_suspend_target_state == PM_SUSPEND_MEM); > > >> > } > > >> > @@ -1499,16 +1507,20 @@ bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s0ix_active(struct > > >> amdgpu_device *adev) > > >> > * S0ix even though the system is suspending to idle, so return false > > >> > * in that case. > > >> > */ > > >> > - if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) > > >> > + if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) { > > >> > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > > >> > "Power consumption will be higher as BIOS has not been > > >> configured for suspend-to-idle.\n" > > >> > "To use suspend-to-idle change the sleep mode in BIOS > > >> setup.\n"); > > >> > + return false; > > >> > + } > > >> > > > >> > #if !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_AMD_PMC) > > >> > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > > >> > "Power consumption will be higher as the kernel has not > been > > >> compiled with CONFIG_AMD_PMC.\n"); > > >> > -#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ > > >> > + return false; > > >> > +#else > > >> > return true; > > >> > +#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ > > >> > } > > >> > > > >> > #endif /* CONFIG_SUSPEND */ > > >> > -- > > >> > 2.34.1 > > >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again 2023-05-30 18:19 ` Limonciello, Mario 2023-05-30 18:30 ` Rafael Ávila de Espíndola @ 2023-05-30 21:34 ` Alex Deucher 2023-05-30 22:04 ` Limonciello, Mario 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Alex Deucher @ 2023-05-30 21:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Limonciello, Mario; +Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola, amd-gfx On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:19 PM Limonciello, Mario <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> wrote: > > [AMD Official Use Only - General] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:16 PM > > To: Limonciello, Mario <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> > > Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org; Rafael Ávila de Espíndola > > <rafael@espindo.la> > > Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again > > > > On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:53 PM Mario Limonciello > > <mario.limonciello@amd.com> wrote: > > > > > > commit cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") > > showed > > > improvements to power consumption over suspend when s0ix wasn't > > enabled in > > > BIOS and the system didn't support S3. > > > > > > This patch however was misguided because the reason the system didn't > > > support S3 was because SMT was disabled in OEM BIOS setup. > > > This prevented the BIOS from allowing S3. > > > > > > Also allowing GPUs to use the s2idle path actually causes problems if > > > they're invoked on systems that may not support s2idle in the platform > > > firmware. `systemd` has a tendency to try to use `s2idle` if `deep` fails > > > for any reason, which could lead to unexpected flows. > > > > > > To make this the behavior discoverable and expected, revert commit > > > cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") and offer > > > a message if SMT appears to be disabled. > > > > > > Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola <rafael@espindo.la> > > > Link: > > https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.1/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu > > /amdgpu_acpi.c#L1060 > > > Closes: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2599 > > > Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com> > > > --- > > > drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c | 16 ++++++++++++++-- > > > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > > index 3a6b2e2089f6..a3523d03d769 100644 > > > --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > > +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c > > > @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ > > > #include <linux/xarray.h> > > > #include <linux/power_supply.h> > > > #include <linux/pm_runtime.h> > > > +#include <linux/sched/smt.h> > > > #include <linux/suspend.h> > > > #include <acpi/video.h> > > > #include <acpi/actbl.h> > > > @@ -1473,6 +1474,13 @@ void amdgpu_acpi_release(void) > > > */ > > > bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s3_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) > > > { > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_X86 > > > + if (!sched_smt_active()) { > > > + dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > > > + "SMT is disabled by the BIOS.\n" > > > + "To use suspend-to-ram enable SMT in BIOS setup.\n"); > > > + } > > > +#endif > > > > Will this generate a spurious warning on platforms that are natively non-SMT? > > Yeah; it could. I'm not sure how we can reliably detect this. I thought about looking for > the 'ht' flag, but that probably wouldn't work for this case. > > Are there AMD Zen CPUs or APUs that are non-SMT? Could gate the sched_smt_active() > check to only run when it's an AMD x86 Zen SoC. Some of the more budget conscient Athlon parts don't have SMT IIRC. Alex > > > > > Alex > > > > > return !(adev->flags & AMD_IS_APU) || > > > (pm_suspend_target_state == PM_SUSPEND_MEM); > > > } > > > @@ -1499,16 +1507,20 @@ bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s0ix_active(struct > > amdgpu_device *adev) > > > * S0ix even though the system is suspending to idle, so return false > > > * in that case. > > > */ > > > - if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) > > > + if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) { > > > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > > > "Power consumption will be higher as BIOS has not been > > configured for suspend-to-idle.\n" > > > "To use suspend-to-idle change the sleep mode in BIOS > > setup.\n"); > > > + return false; > > > + } > > > > > > #if !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_AMD_PMC) > > > dev_warn_once(adev->dev, > > > "Power consumption will be higher as the kernel has not been > > compiled with CONFIG_AMD_PMC.\n"); > > > -#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ > > > + return false; > > > +#else > > > return true; > > > +#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ > > > } > > > > > > #endif /* CONFIG_SUSPEND */ > > > -- > > > 2.34.1 > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again 2023-05-30 21:34 ` Alex Deucher @ 2023-05-30 22:04 ` Limonciello, Mario 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Limonciello, Mario @ 2023-05-30 22:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alex Deucher; +Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola, amd-gfx On 5/30/2023 4:34 PM, Alex Deucher wrote: > On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:19 PM Limonciello, Mario > <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> wrote: >> [AMD Official Use Only - General] >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:16 PM >>> To: Limonciello, Mario <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com> >>> Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org; Rafael Ávila de Espíndola >>> <rafael@espindo.la> >>> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amd: Disallow s0ix without BIOS support again >>> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:53 PM Mario Limonciello >>> <mario.limonciello@amd.com> wrote: >>>> commit cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") >>> showed >>>> improvements to power consumption over suspend when s0ix wasn't >>> enabled in >>>> BIOS and the system didn't support S3. >>>> >>>> This patch however was misguided because the reason the system didn't >>>> support S3 was because SMT was disabled in OEM BIOS setup. >>>> This prevented the BIOS from allowing S3. >>>> >>>> Also allowing GPUs to use the s2idle path actually causes problems if >>>> they're invoked on systems that may not support s2idle in the platform >>>> firmware. `systemd` has a tendency to try to use `s2idle` if `deep` fails >>>> for any reason, which could lead to unexpected flows. >>>> >>>> To make this the behavior discoverable and expected, revert commit >>>> cf488dcd0ab7 ("drm/amd: Allow s0ix without BIOS support") and offer >>>> a message if SMT appears to be disabled. >>>> >>>> Cc: Rafael Ávila de Espíndola <rafael@espindo.la> >>>> Link: >>> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.1/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu >>> /amdgpu_acpi.c#L1060 >>>> Closes: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2599 >>>> Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com> >>>> --- >>>> drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c | 16 ++++++++++++++-- >>>> 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) >>>> >>>> diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c >>> b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c >>>> index 3a6b2e2089f6..a3523d03d769 100644 >>>> --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c >>>> +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_acpi.c >>>> @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ >>>> #include <linux/xarray.h> >>>> #include <linux/power_supply.h> >>>> #include <linux/pm_runtime.h> >>>> +#include <linux/sched/smt.h> >>>> #include <linux/suspend.h> >>>> #include <acpi/video.h> >>>> #include <acpi/actbl.h> >>>> @@ -1473,6 +1474,13 @@ void amdgpu_acpi_release(void) >>>> */ >>>> bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s3_active(struct amdgpu_device *adev) >>>> { >>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_X86 >>>> + if (!sched_smt_active()) { >>>> + dev_warn_once(adev->dev, >>>> + "SMT is disabled by the BIOS.\n" >>>> + "To use suspend-to-ram enable SMT in BIOS setup.\n"); >>>> + } >>>> +#endif >>> Will this generate a spurious warning on platforms that are natively non-SMT? >> Yeah; it could. I'm not sure how we can reliably detect this. I thought about looking for >> the 'ht' flag, but that probably wouldn't work for this case. >> >> Are there AMD Zen CPUs or APUs that are non-SMT? Could gate the sched_smt_active() >> check to only run when it's an AMD x86 Zen SoC. > Some of the more budget conscient Athlon parts don't have SMT IIRC. > > Alex In that case, I think the best solution is to just revert cf488dcd0ab7. > >>> Alex >>> >>>> return !(adev->flags & AMD_IS_APU) || >>>> (pm_suspend_target_state == PM_SUSPEND_MEM); >>>> } >>>> @@ -1499,16 +1507,20 @@ bool amdgpu_acpi_is_s0ix_active(struct >>> amdgpu_device *adev) >>>> * S0ix even though the system is suspending to idle, so return false >>>> * in that case. >>>> */ >>>> - if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) >>>> + if (!(acpi_gbl_FADT.flags & ACPI_FADT_LOW_POWER_S0)) { >>>> dev_warn_once(adev->dev, >>>> "Power consumption will be higher as BIOS has not been >>> configured for suspend-to-idle.\n" >>>> "To use suspend-to-idle change the sleep mode in BIOS >>> setup.\n"); >>>> + return false; >>>> + } >>>> >>>> #if !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_AMD_PMC) >>>> dev_warn_once(adev->dev, >>>> "Power consumption will be higher as the kernel has not been >>> compiled with CONFIG_AMD_PMC.\n"); >>>> -#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ >>>> + return false; >>>> +#else >>>> return true; >>>> +#endif /* CONFIG_AMD_PMC */ >>>> } >>>> >>>> #endif /* CONFIG_SUSPEND */ >>>> -- >>>> 2.34.1 >>>> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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