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From: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
Cc: "Myklebust\, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@itwm.fraunhofer.de>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:12:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sjg2o62z.fsf@tucsk.pomaz.szeredi.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120416190548.2463d1d0@corrin.poochiereds.net> (Jeff Layton's message of "Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:05:48 -0400")

Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> writes:

>> 
>> Won't something like fstatat(AT_FDCWD, "", &stat, AT_EMPTY_PATH) risk
>> looping forever there, or am I missing something?
>> 
>
> To make sure I understand, that should be "shortcut" for a lookup of the
> cwd?
>
> So I guess the concern is that you'd do the above and get a successful
> lookup since you're just going to get back the cwd. At that point,
> you'd attempt the getattr and get ESTALE back. Then, you'd redo the
> lookup with LOOKUP_REVAL set -- but since we're operating on the
> cwd, we don't have a way to redo the lookup since we don't have a
> pathname that we can look up again...
>
> So yeah, I guess if you're sitting in a stale directory, something like
> that could loop eternally.
>
> Do you think the proposed check for fatal_signal_pending is enough to
> mitigate such a problem? Or do we need to limit the number of retries
> to address those sorts of loops?

Lets step back a bit.

The retry is needed when when we discover during ->getattr() that the
cached lookup returned a stale file handle.

If the lookup wasn't cached or if there was no lookup at all
(stat(".") and friends) then retrying will not gain anything.

And that also means that retrying multiple times is pointless, since
after the first retry we are sure to have up-to-date attributes.

Unfortunately it's impossible for the filesystem to know whether a
->getattr (or other inode operation) was perfromed after a cached or a
non-cached lookup.

I'm not sure what the right interface for this would be.  One would be
to just pass the "cached-or-not" information as a flag.  That works for
getattr() but not for other operations.

Another is to introduce atomic lookup+foo variants of these operations
just like for open.  E.g. the lookup+getattr is called if the cached
lookup fails or if the cached lookup succeeds and the plain ->getattr
call returns ESTALE.

Thanks,
Miklos

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-04-17 13:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-13 11:25 [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 11:25 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 12:02 ` Jim Rees
2012-04-13 12:02   ` Jim Rees
2012-04-13 12:09   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 12:09     ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 15:05 ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-13 15:42   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 16:07     ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-13 17:10       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 17:10         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 17:34       ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-13 17:34         ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-13 23:00         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 23:00           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-14  0:57         ` Trond Myklebust
2012-04-15 19:03     ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-15 19:27       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-15 19:27         ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-16 14:23         ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-15 19:57       ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-15 19:57         ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-16 11:23         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 11:53         ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-16 11:36       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 11:36         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 12:54         ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-16 12:54           ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-16 16:04           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 14:44         ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-16 17:46           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 17:46             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 19:33             ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 19:33               ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 19:33               ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 19:43               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 20:25                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 20:25                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 20:25                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 23:05                   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 11:46                     ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 11:46                       ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 13:36                       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 13:36                         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:14                         ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 14:14                           ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 14:27                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 15:02                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:50                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 15:50                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 16:03                                 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 16:03                                   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:59                               ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 15:59                                 ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 13:12                     ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2012-04-17 13:32                       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:03                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 14:22                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:22                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:04                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:04                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:04                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:20                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:45                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-17 15:45                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-17 16:02                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 16:02                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 13:39                     ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-17 14:08                       ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:08                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:08                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:48                         ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-17 14:48                           ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-17 14:48                           ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-18 15:16                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-18 15:16                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 19:43             ` Scott Lovenberg
2012-04-16 19:43               ` Scott Lovenberg
2012-04-16 16:55 ` [PATCH RFC v2] " Jeff Layton
2012-04-18 11:52 ` [PATCH RFC v3] vfs: make fstatat retry once " Jeff Layton
2012-04-18 11:52   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 14:40   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 20:18     ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-20 20:18       ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-20 20:37       ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-20 20:37         ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-20 21:13         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-22  5:40           ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 12:00             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 12:00               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:00               ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 13:00                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 13:12                 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:12                   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:34                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 13:34                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 13:50                     ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:50                       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:54                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 14:51                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 15:02                           ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-23 15:02                             ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-23 15:23                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 17:45                               ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 15:16                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 15:16                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 15:28                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 18:59                               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 21:13       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 21:13         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 14:55         ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 14:55           ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 15:32           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 15:32             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 18:06             ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 18:06               ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 18:33               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 20:38               ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 20:38                 ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-24 14:50                 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-24 15:54                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-24 15:54                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-24 16:34                     ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-25  9:41                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-25  9:41                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-25 12:04                         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-25 12:04                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 17:43           ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 17:43             ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 19:06           ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-23 19:06             ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-22  4:16     ` Ric Wheeler
2012-04-22  4:16       ` Ric Wheeler
2012-04-23 11:20       ` Jeff Layton

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