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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
Cc: "Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@itwm.fraunhofer.de>,
	Malahal Naineni <malahal@us.ibm.com>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"pstaubach@exagrid.com" <pstaubach@exagrid.com>,
	"viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk" <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	"hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"michael.brantley@deshaw.com" <michael.brantley@deshaw.com>,
	"sven.breuner@itwm.fraunhofer.de"
	<sven.breuner@itwm.fraunhofer.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:45:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120417154549.GA27426@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120417102035.2236e553@corrin.poochiereds.net>

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:20:35AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> Well, it's possible, but it seems pathological to me for a server to do
> that...
> 
> Bruce and I were discussing this the other day. It would be good to add
> something like this to the RFCs:
> 
> "On a PUTFH, a server SHOULD hold a reference to the filehandle such

For "filehandle" I'd specify "current and saved filehandle".

> that it does not go stale over the life of the compound."

And that's *much* less of a burden on the server than requiring that the
compound execute atomically.

> ...or something along those lines. That's a different matter though and
> not directly related to this. :)

Yes.

--b.

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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Myklebust,
	Trond" <Trond.Myklebust-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos-sUDqSbJrdHQHWmgEVkV9KA@public.gmane.org>,
	Bernd Schubert
	<bernd.schubert-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>,
	Malahal Naineni <malahal-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"pstaubach-83r9SdEf25FBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org"
	<pstaubach-83r9SdEf25FBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"viro-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org"
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	"michael.brantley-Iq/kdjr4a97QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org"
	<michael.brantley-Iq/kdjr4a97QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"sven.breuner-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org"
	<sven.breuner-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:45:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120417154549.GA27426@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120417102035.2236e553-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:20:35AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> Well, it's possible, but it seems pathological to me for a server to do
> that...
> 
> Bruce and I were discussing this the other day. It would be good to add
> something like this to the RFCs:
> 
> "On a PUTFH, a server SHOULD hold a reference to the filehandle such

For "filehandle" I'd specify "current and saved filehandle".

> that it does not go stale over the life of the compound."

And that's *much* less of a burden on the server than requiring that the
compound execute atomically.

> ...or something along those lines. That's a different matter though and
> not directly related to this. :)

Yes.

--b.
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-17 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-13 11:25 [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 11:25 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 12:02 ` Jim Rees
2012-04-13 12:02   ` Jim Rees
2012-04-13 12:09   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 12:09     ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 15:05 ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-13 15:42   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 16:07     ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-13 17:10       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 17:10         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 17:34       ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-13 17:34         ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-13 23:00         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 23:00           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-14  0:57         ` Trond Myklebust
2012-04-15 19:03     ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-15 19:27       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-15 19:27         ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-16 14:23         ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-15 19:57       ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-15 19:57         ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-16 11:23         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 11:53         ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-16 11:36       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 11:36         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 12:54         ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-16 12:54           ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-16 16:04           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 14:44         ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-16 17:46           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 17:46             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 19:33             ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 19:33               ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 19:33               ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 19:43               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 20:25                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 20:25                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 20:25                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 23:05                   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 11:46                     ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 11:46                       ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 13:36                       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 13:36                         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:14                         ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 14:14                           ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 14:27                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 15:02                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:50                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 15:50                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 16:03                                 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 16:03                                   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:59                               ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 15:59                                 ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 13:12                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 13:32                       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:03                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 14:22                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:22                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:04                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:04                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:04                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:20                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:45                             ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2012-04-17 15:45                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-17 16:02                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 16:02                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 13:39                     ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-17 14:08                       ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:08                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:08                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:48                         ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-17 14:48                           ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-17 14:48                           ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-18 15:16                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-18 15:16                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 19:43             ` Scott Lovenberg
2012-04-16 19:43               ` Scott Lovenberg
2012-04-16 16:55 ` [PATCH RFC v2] " Jeff Layton
2012-04-18 11:52 ` [PATCH RFC v3] vfs: make fstatat retry once " Jeff Layton
2012-04-18 11:52   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 14:40   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 20:18     ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-20 20:18       ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-20 20:37       ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-20 20:37         ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-20 21:13         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-22  5:40           ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 12:00             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 12:00               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:00               ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 13:00                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 13:12                 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:12                   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:34                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 13:34                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 13:50                     ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:50                       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:54                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 14:51                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 15:02                           ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-23 15:02                             ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-23 15:23                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 17:45                               ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 15:16                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 15:16                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 15:28                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 18:59                               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 21:13       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 21:13         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 14:55         ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 14:55           ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 15:32           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 15:32             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 18:06             ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 18:06               ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 18:33               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 20:38               ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 20:38                 ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-24 14:50                 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-24 15:54                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-24 15:54                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-24 16:34                     ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-25  9:41                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-25  9:41                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-25 12:04                         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-25 12:04                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 17:43           ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 17:43             ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 19:06           ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-23 19:06             ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-22  4:16     ` Ric Wheeler
2012-04-22  4:16       ` Ric Wheeler
2012-04-23 11:20       ` Jeff Layton

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