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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
To: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linaro.org>
Cc: NeilBrown <nfbrown@novell.com>, Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	robh@kernel.org, Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Ruslan Bilovol <ruslan.bilovol@gmail.com>,
	Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	r.baldyga@samsung.com, grygorii.strashko@ti.com,
	Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Charles Keepax <ckeepax@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	patches@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	USB <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	device-mainlining@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "Bird\,
	Timothy" <Tim.Bird@am.sony.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 07:19:32 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87twdo7ouz.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMz4ku+wWcSPCA1_UYKNqJv4rRDEm5WYUc8AVT6xPJ651-rzmg@mail.gmail.com>

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On Fri, Sep 09 2016, Baolin Wang wrote:

>>
>> In practice, the USB PHY and the Power manager will often be in the same
>> IC (the PMIC) so the driver for one could look at the registers for the
>> other.
>> But there is no guarantee that the hardware works like that.  It is
>> best to create a generally design.
>
> Yes, we hope to create one generally design, so we need to consider
> this situation: the power supply getting the charger type by accessing
> PMIC registers. The registers which save the charger type are not
> always belong to the USB PHY, may be just some registers on PMIC.

If the power_supply can directly detect the type of charger, then it
doesn't need any usb-charger-infrastructure to tell it.  It can handle
current selection entirely internally.
Surely the only interesting case for a framework to address is the one
where the power_supply cannot directly detect the charger type.

>
> Now in mainline kernel, there are 3 methods can get the charger type
> which need to integrate with USB charger framework:
> 1. power supply
> 2. extcon (need to add as you suggested)
> 3. others (by 'get_charger_type' callback of USB charger)

There is no "get_charger_type" now in the mainline kernel.

>>>
>>> Suppose the USB configuration requests 100mA, then we should set the
>>> USB charger current is 100mA by __usb_charger_set_cur_limit_by_type()
>>> funtion, then notify this to power driver.
>>
>> ahh.... I had missed something there.  It's a while since I looked
>> closely at these patches.
>>
>> Only.... this usage of usb_charger_set_cur_limit_by_type() is really
>> nonsensical.
>>
>> If the cable is detected as being DCP or CDP or ACA (or ACA/DOCK) then
>> the number negotiated with the USB configuration is not relevant and
>> should be ignored.  There is a guaranteed minimum which is at least the
>> maximum that *can* be negotiated.
>
> Yes. If it is not relevant, we will no't set the current from USB
> configuration. Just when your charger type is SDP and the USB
> enumeration is done, we can get the USB configuration from host to set
> current.

But you do!
The mA number from the USB configuration is passed to usb_gadget_vbus_draw.
Your patch passes that to usb_charger_set_cur_limit_by_type()
which calls __usb_charger_set_cur_limit_by_type() which will set the
cur_limit for whichever type uchger->type currently is.

So when it is not relevant, your code *does* set some current limit.

NeilBrown

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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
To: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linaro.org>
Cc: NeilBrown <nfbrown@novell.com>, Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	robh@kernel.org, Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Ruslan Bilovol <ruslan.bilovol@gmail.com>,
	Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	r.baldyga@samsung.com, grygorii.strashko@ti.com,
	Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Charles Keepax <ckeepax@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	patches@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>, USB <linux-usb@vger.ke>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 07:19:32 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87twdo7ouz.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMz4ku+wWcSPCA1_UYKNqJv4rRDEm5WYUc8AVT6xPJ651-rzmg@mail.gmail.com>

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On Fri, Sep 09 2016, Baolin Wang wrote:

>>
>> In practice, the USB PHY and the Power manager will often be in the same
>> IC (the PMIC) so the driver for one could look at the registers for the
>> other.
>> But there is no guarantee that the hardware works like that.  It is
>> best to create a generally design.
>
> Yes, we hope to create one generally design, so we need to consider
> this situation: the power supply getting the charger type by accessing
> PMIC registers. The registers which save the charger type are not
> always belong to the USB PHY, may be just some registers on PMIC.

If the power_supply can directly detect the type of charger, then it
doesn't need any usb-charger-infrastructure to tell it.  It can handle
current selection entirely internally.
Surely the only interesting case for a framework to address is the one
where the power_supply cannot directly detect the charger type.

>
> Now in mainline kernel, there are 3 methods can get the charger type
> which need to integrate with USB charger framework:
> 1. power supply
> 2. extcon (need to add as you suggested)
> 3. others (by 'get_charger_type' callback of USB charger)

There is no "get_charger_type" now in the mainline kernel.

>>>
>>> Suppose the USB configuration requests 100mA, then we should set the
>>> USB charger current is 100mA by __usb_charger_set_cur_limit_by_type()
>>> funtion, then notify this to power driver.
>>
>> ahh.... I had missed something there.  It's a while since I looked
>> closely at these patches.
>>
>> Only.... this usage of usb_charger_set_cur_limit_by_type() is really
>> nonsensical.
>>
>> If the cable is detected as being DCP or CDP or ACA (or ACA/DOCK) then
>> the number negotiated with the USB configuration is not relevant and
>> should be ignored.  There is a guaranteed minimum which is at least the
>> maximum that *can* be negotiated.
>
> Yes. If it is not relevant, we will no't set the current from USB
> configuration. Just when your charger type is SDP and the USB
> enumeration is done, we can get the USB configuration from host to set
> current.

But you do!
The mA number from the USB configuration is passed to usb_gadget_vbus_draw.
Your patch passes that to usb_charger_set_cur_limit_by_type()
which calls __usb_charger_set_cur_limit_by_type() which will set the
cur_limit for whichever type uchger->type currently is.

So when it is not relevant, your code *does* set some current limit.

NeilBrown

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-09 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-01  7:09 [PATCH v16 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation Baolin Wang
2016-08-01  7:09 ` [PATCH v16 1/4] usb: gadget: Introduce the usb charger framework Baolin Wang
2016-08-01  7:09 ` [PATCH v16 2/4] usb: gadget: Support for " Baolin Wang
2016-08-01  7:09 ` [PATCH v16 3/4] usb: gadget: Integrate with the usb gadget supporting for usb charger Baolin Wang
2016-08-01  7:09 ` [PATCH v16 4/4] power: wm831x_power: Support USB charger current limit management Baolin Wang
2016-08-11  3:14 ` [PATCH v16 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation Baolin Wang
2016-08-11  3:14   ` Baolin Wang
2016-08-29  9:02   ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-06  5:40     ` NeilBrown
2016-09-06  5:40       ` NeilBrown
2016-09-06  7:40       ` Felipe Balbi
2016-09-06  7:40         ` Felipe Balbi
2016-09-08  6:55       ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-08  6:55         ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-08  7:31         ` NeilBrown
2016-09-08  7:31           ` NeilBrown
2016-09-08  8:12           ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-08  8:12             ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-08 23:13             ` NeilBrown
2016-09-08 23:13               ` NeilBrown
2016-09-09  6:46               ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-09  6:46                 ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-09 21:19                 ` NeilBrown [this message]
2016-09-09 21:19                   ` NeilBrown
2016-09-18  9:39                   ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-18  9:39                     ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-05  7:26                     ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-05  7:26                       ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-05  7:47                       ` Felipe Balbi
2016-10-05  7:47                         ` Felipe Balbi
2016-10-05  7:57                         ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-05  7:57                           ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-05 10:44                         ` NeilBrown
2016-10-05 10:44                           ` NeilBrown
2016-10-08  3:18                           ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-08  3:18                             ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-09 11:07               ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 11:07                 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 21:57                 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-09 21:57                   ` NeilBrown
2016-09-12 12:25                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-12 12:25                     ` Mark Brown
2016-09-12 13:27                     ` NeilBrown
2016-09-12 13:27                       ` NeilBrown
2016-09-12 15:26                       ` Mark Brown
2016-09-12 15:26                         ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13  8:00                         ` NeilBrown
2016-09-13  8:00                           ` NeilBrown
2016-09-14 11:16                           ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 11:16                             ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 14:11                             ` NeilBrown
2016-09-14 14:11                               ` NeilBrown
2016-09-14 14:57                               ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 14:57                                 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 17:50                                 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-14 17:50                                   ` NeilBrown
2016-09-14 18:02                                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 18:02                                     ` Mark Brown
2016-09-15 10:33                           ` Pavel Machek
2016-09-15 10:33                             ` Pavel Machek

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