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From: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
To: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, rui.zhang@intel.com,
	amit.kucheria@verdurent.com, orjan.eide@arm.com, robh@kernel.org,
	alyssa.rosenzweig@collabora.com, steven.price@arm.com,
	airlied@linux.ie, daniel@ffwll.ch, ionela.voinescu@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] thermal: devfreq_cooling: get a copy of device status
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 12:41:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <947a3afc-5dd6-892b-6987-ad81a5a96197@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <224c6b9b-977a-d553-f22b-2056223a84bc@linaro.org>



On 12/3/20 4:09 PM, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> On 03/12/2020 16:38, Lukasz Luba wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/3/20 1:09 PM, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
>>> On 18/11/2020 13:03, Lukasz Luba wrote:
>>>> Devfreq cooling needs to now the correct status of the device in order
>>>> to operate. Do not rely on Devfreq last_status which might be a stale
>>>> data
>>>> and get more up-to-date values of the load.
>>>>
>>>> Devfreq framework can change the device status in the background. To
>>>> mitigate this situation make a copy of the status structure and use it
>>>> for internal calculations.
>>>>
>>>> In addition this patch adds normalization function, which also makes
>>>> sure
>>>> that whatever data comes from the device, it is in a sane range.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>    drivers/thermal/devfreq_cooling.c | 52 +++++++++++++++++++++++++------
>>>>    1 file changed, 43 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/drivers/thermal/devfreq_cooling.c
>>>> b/drivers/thermal/devfreq_cooling.c
>>>> index 659c0143c9f0..925523694462 100644
>>>> --- a/drivers/thermal/devfreq_cooling.c
>>>> +++ b/drivers/thermal/devfreq_cooling.c
>>>> @@ -227,20 +227,46 @@ static inline unsigned long
>>>> get_total_power(struct devfreq_cooling_device *dfc,
>>>>                                       voltage);
>>>>    }
>>>>    +static void _normalize_load(struct devfreq_dev_status *status)
>>>> +{
>>>> +    /* Make some space if needed */
>>>> +    if (status->busy_time > 0xffff) {
>>>> +        status->busy_time >>= 10;
>>>> +        status->total_time >>= 10;
>>>> +    }
>>>> +
>>>> +    if (status->busy_time > status->total_time)
>>>> +        status->busy_time = status->total_time;
>>>
>>> How the condition above is possible?
>>
>> They should, be checked by the driver, but I cannot trust
>> and have to check for all corner cases: (div by 0, overflow
>> one of them, etc). The busy_time and total_time are unsigned long,
>> which means 4B on 32bit machines.
>> If these values are coming from device counters, which count every
>> busy cycle and total cycles of a clock of a device running at e.g.
>> 1GHz they would overflow every ~4s.
> 
> I don't think it is up to this routine to check the driver is correctly
> implemented, especially at every call to get_requested_power.
> 
> If the normalization ends up by doing this kind of thing, there is
> certainly something wrong in the 'status' computation to be fixed before
> submitting this series.
> 
> 
>> Normally IPA polling are 1s and 100ms, it's platform specific. But there
>> are also 'empty' periods when IPA sees temperature very low and does not
>> even call the .get_requested_power() callbacks for the cooling devices,
>> just grants max freq to all. This is problematic. I am investigating it
>> and will propose a solution for IPA soon.
>>
>> I would avoid all of this if devfreq core would have default for all
>> devices a reliable polling timer... Let me check some possibilities also
>> for this case.
> 
> Ok, may be create an API to compute the 'idle,busy,total times' to be
> used by the different the devfreq drivers and then fix the overflow in
> this common place.

Yes, I have this plan, but I have to close this patch series. To go
forward with this, I will drop the normalization function and will keep
only the code of safe copy of the 'status', so using busy_time and
total_time will be safe.

I will address this computation and normalization in different patch
series. There might be a need of a new API as you pointed out, which
is out-of-scope of this patch set.

> 
>>>> +    status->busy_time *= 100;
>>>> +    status->busy_time /= status->total_time ? : 1;
>>>> +
>>>> +    /* Avoid division by 0 */
>>>> +    status->busy_time = status->busy_time ? : 1;
>>>> +    status->total_time = 100;
>>>
>>> Why not base the normalization on 1024? and use an intermediate u64.
>>
>> You are the 2nd reviewer who is asking this. I tried to keep 'load' as
>> in range [0, 100] since we also have 'load' in cpufreq cooling in this
>> range. Maybe I should switch to 1024 (Ionela was also asking for this).
> 
> Well it is common practice to compute normalization with 1024 because
> the division is a bit shift and the compiler optimize the code very well
> with that value.
> 

I will keep this 1024 in mind for the next topic series.

Regards,
Lukasz

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From: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
To: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>
Cc: amit.kucheria@verdurent.com, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	airlied@linux.ie, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, steven.price@arm.com,
	alyssa.rosenzweig@collabora.com, rui.zhang@intel.com,
	ionela.voinescu@arm.com, orjan.eide@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] thermal: devfreq_cooling: get a copy of device status
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 12:41:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <947a3afc-5dd6-892b-6987-ad81a5a96197@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <224c6b9b-977a-d553-f22b-2056223a84bc@linaro.org>



On 12/3/20 4:09 PM, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> On 03/12/2020 16:38, Lukasz Luba wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/3/20 1:09 PM, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
>>> On 18/11/2020 13:03, Lukasz Luba wrote:
>>>> Devfreq cooling needs to now the correct status of the device in order
>>>> to operate. Do not rely on Devfreq last_status which might be a stale
>>>> data
>>>> and get more up-to-date values of the load.
>>>>
>>>> Devfreq framework can change the device status in the background. To
>>>> mitigate this situation make a copy of the status structure and use it
>>>> for internal calculations.
>>>>
>>>> In addition this patch adds normalization function, which also makes
>>>> sure
>>>> that whatever data comes from the device, it is in a sane range.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>    drivers/thermal/devfreq_cooling.c | 52 +++++++++++++++++++++++++------
>>>>    1 file changed, 43 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/drivers/thermal/devfreq_cooling.c
>>>> b/drivers/thermal/devfreq_cooling.c
>>>> index 659c0143c9f0..925523694462 100644
>>>> --- a/drivers/thermal/devfreq_cooling.c
>>>> +++ b/drivers/thermal/devfreq_cooling.c
>>>> @@ -227,20 +227,46 @@ static inline unsigned long
>>>> get_total_power(struct devfreq_cooling_device *dfc,
>>>>                                       voltage);
>>>>    }
>>>>    +static void _normalize_load(struct devfreq_dev_status *status)
>>>> +{
>>>> +    /* Make some space if needed */
>>>> +    if (status->busy_time > 0xffff) {
>>>> +        status->busy_time >>= 10;
>>>> +        status->total_time >>= 10;
>>>> +    }
>>>> +
>>>> +    if (status->busy_time > status->total_time)
>>>> +        status->busy_time = status->total_time;
>>>
>>> How the condition above is possible?
>>
>> They should, be checked by the driver, but I cannot trust
>> and have to check for all corner cases: (div by 0, overflow
>> one of them, etc). The busy_time and total_time are unsigned long,
>> which means 4B on 32bit machines.
>> If these values are coming from device counters, which count every
>> busy cycle and total cycles of a clock of a device running at e.g.
>> 1GHz they would overflow every ~4s.
> 
> I don't think it is up to this routine to check the driver is correctly
> implemented, especially at every call to get_requested_power.
> 
> If the normalization ends up by doing this kind of thing, there is
> certainly something wrong in the 'status' computation to be fixed before
> submitting this series.
> 
> 
>> Normally IPA polling are 1s and 100ms, it's platform specific. But there
>> are also 'empty' periods when IPA sees temperature very low and does not
>> even call the .get_requested_power() callbacks for the cooling devices,
>> just grants max freq to all. This is problematic. I am investigating it
>> and will propose a solution for IPA soon.
>>
>> I would avoid all of this if devfreq core would have default for all
>> devices a reliable polling timer... Let me check some possibilities also
>> for this case.
> 
> Ok, may be create an API to compute the 'idle,busy,total times' to be
> used by the different the devfreq drivers and then fix the overflow in
> this common place.

Yes, I have this plan, but I have to close this patch series. To go
forward with this, I will drop the normalization function and will keep
only the code of safe copy of the 'status', so using busy_time and
total_time will be safe.

I will address this computation and normalization in different patch
series. There might be a need of a new API as you pointed out, which
is out-of-scope of this patch set.

> 
>>>> +    status->busy_time *= 100;
>>>> +    status->busy_time /= status->total_time ? : 1;
>>>> +
>>>> +    /* Avoid division by 0 */
>>>> +    status->busy_time = status->busy_time ? : 1;
>>>> +    status->total_time = 100;
>>>
>>> Why not base the normalization on 1024? and use an intermediate u64.
>>
>> You are the 2nd reviewer who is asking this. I tried to keep 'load' as
>> in range [0, 100] since we also have 'load' in cpufreq cooling in this
>> range. Maybe I should switch to 1024 (Ionela was also asking for this).
> 
> Well it is common practice to compute normalization with 1024 because
> the division is a bit shift and the compiler optimize the code very well
> with that value.
> 

I will keep this 1024 in mind for the next topic series.

Regards,
Lukasz
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-18 12:03 [PATCH v2 0/5] Thermal devfreq cooling improvements with Energy Model Lukasz Luba
2020-11-18 12:03 ` Lukasz Luba
2020-11-18 12:03 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] thermal: devfreq_cooling: change tracing function and arguments Lukasz Luba
2020-11-18 12:03   ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-02 10:23   ` Ionela Voinescu
2020-12-02 10:23     ` Ionela Voinescu
2020-11-18 12:03 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] thermal: devfreq_cooling: get a copy of device status Lukasz Luba
2020-11-18 12:03   ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-02 10:23   ` Ionela Voinescu
2020-12-02 10:23     ` Ionela Voinescu
2020-12-03 13:09   ` Daniel Lezcano
2020-12-03 13:09     ` Daniel Lezcano
2020-12-03 15:38     ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-03 15:38       ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-03 16:09       ` Daniel Lezcano
2020-12-03 16:09         ` Daniel Lezcano
2020-12-07 12:41         ` Lukasz Luba [this message]
2020-12-07 12:41           ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-08 14:20           ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-08 14:20             ` Lukasz Luba
2020-11-18 12:03 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] thermal: devfreq_cooling: add new registration functions with Energy Model Lukasz Luba
2020-11-18 12:03   ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-02 10:24   ` Ionela Voinescu
2020-12-02 10:24     ` Ionela Voinescu
2020-12-02 11:14     ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-02 11:14       ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-02 11:49       ` Ionela Voinescu
2020-12-02 11:49         ` Ionela Voinescu
2020-12-02 11:54         ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-02 11:54           ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-03 15:40   ` Daniel Lezcano
2020-12-03 15:40     ` Daniel Lezcano
2020-12-07  9:46     ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-07  9:46       ` Lukasz Luba
2020-11-18 12:03 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] thermal: devfreq_cooling: remove old power model and use EM Lukasz Luba
2020-11-18 12:03   ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-02 10:26   ` Ionela Voinescu
2020-12-02 10:26     ` Ionela Voinescu
2020-11-18 12:03 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] drm/panfrost: Register devfreq cooling and attempt to add Energy Model Lukasz Luba
2020-11-18 12:03   ` Lukasz Luba
2020-12-02 15:01 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Thermal devfreq cooling improvements with " Daniel Lezcano
2020-12-02 15:01   ` Daniel Lezcano

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