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From: Feifei Wang <Feifei.Wang2@arm.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	"konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru" <konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru>,
	"mb@smartsharesystems.com" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	nd <nd@arm.com>, nd <nd@arm.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v5 0/3] Recycle buffers from Tx to Rx
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 02:48:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AS8PR08MB77182DAA5645FA49959616ADC8929@AS8PR08MB7718.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230330080448.5a73a5d3@hermes.local>

Thanks for the reviewing.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2023 11:05 PM
> To: Feifei Wang <Feifei.Wang2@arm.com>
> Cc: dev@dpdk.org; konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru;
> mb@smartsharesystems.com; nd <nd@arm.com>
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/3] Recycle buffers from Tx to Rx
> 
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:29:36 +0800
> Feifei Wang <feifei.wang2@arm.com> wrote:
> 
> > Currently, the transmit side frees the buffers into the lcore cache
> > and the receive side allocates buffers from the lcore cache. The
> > transmit side typically frees 32 buffers resulting in 32*8=256B of
> > stores to lcore cache. The receive side allocates 32 buffers and
> > stores them in the receive side software ring, resulting in 32*8=256B
> > of stores and 256B of load from the lcore cache.
> >
> > This patch proposes a mechanism to avoid freeing to/allocating from
> > the lcore cache. i.e. the receive side will free the buffers from
> > transmit side directly into its software ring. This will avoid the
> > 256B of loads and stores introduced by the lcore cache. It also frees
> > up the cache lines used by the lcore cache. And we can call this mode
> > as buffer recycle mode.
> 
> 
> My naive reading of this is that lcore cache update is slow on ARM so you are
> introducing yet another cache. Perhaps a better solution would be to figure
> out/optimize the lcore cache to work better.

From my point of view, 'recycle buffer' is a strategic optimization. It reduces the operation
of a buffer. Not only arm, but also x86 and other  architecture can benefit from this. For example,
we can see x86 sse path performance improvement in cover letter test results.

> 
> Adding another layer of abstraction is not going to help everyone and the
> implementation you chose requires modifications to drivers to get it to work.
> 
We did not change the original driver mechanism. Recycle buffer can be looked
at a feature for pmd, if the user needs  higher performance, he/she can choose to
call the API in the application to enable it.

> In current form, this is not acceptable.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-03  2:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-24 16:46 [RFC PATCH v1 0/4] Direct re-arming of buffers on receive side Feifei Wang
2021-12-24 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/4] net/i40e: enable direct re-arm mode Feifei Wang
2021-12-24 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/4] ethdev: add API for " Feifei Wang
2021-12-24 19:38   ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-12-26  9:49     ` 回复: " Feifei Wang
2021-12-26 10:31       ` Morten Brørup
2021-12-24 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/4] net/i40e: add direct re-arm mode internal API Feifei Wang
2021-12-24 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 4/4] examples/l3fwd: give an example for direct rearm mode Feifei Wang
2021-12-26 10:25 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/4] Direct re-arming of buffers on receive side Morten Brørup
2021-12-28  6:55   ` 回复: " Feifei Wang
2022-01-18 15:51     ` Ferruh Yigit
2022-01-18 16:53       ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-01-18 17:27         ` Morten Brørup
2022-01-27  5:24           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-01-27 16:45             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2022-02-02 19:46               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-01-27  5:16         ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2023-02-28  6:43       ` 回复: " Feifei Wang
2023-02-28  6:52         ` Feifei Wang
2022-01-27  4:06   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-01-27 17:13     ` Morten Brørup
2022-01-28 11:29     ` Morten Brørup
2023-03-23 10:43 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] Recycle buffers from Tx to Rx Feifei Wang
2023-03-23 10:43   ` [PATCH v4 1/3] ethdev: add API for buffer recycle mode Feifei Wang
2023-03-23 11:41     ` Morten Brørup
2023-03-29  2:16       ` Feifei Wang
2023-03-23 10:43   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] net/i40e: implement recycle buffer mode Feifei Wang
2023-03-23 10:43   ` [PATCH v4 3/3] net/ixgbe: " Feifei Wang
2023-03-30  6:29 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] Recycle buffers from Tx to Rx Feifei Wang
2023-03-30  6:29   ` [PATCH v5 1/3] ethdev: add API for buffer recycle mode Feifei Wang
2023-03-30  7:19     ` Morten Brørup
2023-03-30  9:31       ` Feifei Wang
2023-03-30 15:15         ` Morten Brørup
2023-03-30 15:58         ` Morten Brørup
2023-04-26  6:59           ` Feifei Wang
2023-04-19 14:46     ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-04-26  7:29       ` Feifei Wang
2023-03-30  6:29   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] net/i40e: implement recycle buffer mode Feifei Wang
2023-03-30  6:29   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] net/ixgbe: " Feifei Wang
2023-04-19 14:46     ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-04-26  7:36       ` Feifei Wang
2023-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v5 0/3] Recycle buffers from Tx to Rx Stephen Hemminger
2023-04-03  2:48     ` Feifei Wang [this message]
2023-04-19 14:56   ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-04-25  7:57     ` Feifei Wang
2023-05-25  9:45 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] Recycle mbufs from Tx queue to Rx queue Feifei Wang
2023-05-25  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 1/4] ethdev: add API for mbufs recycle mode Feifei Wang
2023-05-25 15:08     ` Morten Brørup
2023-05-31  6:10       ` Feifei Wang
2023-06-05 12:53     ` Константин Ананьев
2023-06-06  2:55       ` Feifei Wang
2023-06-06  7:10         ` Konstantin Ananyev
2023-06-06  7:31           ` Feifei Wang
2023-06-06  8:34             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2023-06-07  0:00               ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-06-12  3:25                 ` Feifei Wang
2023-05-25  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 2/4] net/i40e: implement " Feifei Wang
2023-06-05 13:02     ` Константин Ананьев
2023-06-06  3:16       ` Feifei Wang
2023-06-06  7:18         ` Konstantin Ananyev
2023-06-06  7:58           ` Feifei Wang
2023-06-06  8:27             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2023-06-12  3:05               ` Feifei Wang
2023-05-25  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 3/4] net/ixgbe: " Feifei Wang
2023-05-25  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 4/4] app/testpmd: add recycle mbufs engine Feifei Wang
2023-06-05 13:08     ` Константин Ананьев
2023-06-06  6:32       ` Feifei Wang

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