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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@virtuozzo.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Bob Peterson <rpeterso@redhat.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>, LKP <lkp@01.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [LKP] [lkp] [xfs] 68a9f5e700: aim7.jobs-per-min -13.6% regression
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:55:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFyEQhjm9CU0yhk0WBAArB9soOA0JfWzjricnOqG9GB41g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160818132414.GK8119@techsingularity.net>

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 6:24 AM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 05:11:11PM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
>> FWIW, I just remembered about /proc/sys/vm/zone_reclaim_mode.
>>
>
> That is a terrifying "fix" for this problem. It just happens to work
> because there is no spillover to other nodes so only one kswapd instance
> is potentially active.

Well, it may be a terrifying fix, but it does bring up an intriguing
notion: maybe what we should think about is to make the actual page
cache allocations be more "node-sticky" for a particular mapping? Not
some hard node binding, but if we were to make a single mapping *tend*
to allocate pages primarily within the same node, that would have the
kind of secondary afvantage that it would avoid the cross-node mapping
locking.

Think of it as a gentler "guiding" fix to the spinlock contention
issue than a hard hammer.

And trying to (at least initially) keep the allocations of one
particular file to one particular node sounds like it could have other
locality advantages too.

In fact, looking at the __page_cache_alloc(), we already have that
"spread pages out" logic. I'm assuming Dave doesn't actually have that
bit set (I don't think it's the default), but I'm also envisioning
that maybe we could extend on that notion, and try to spread out
allocations in general, but keep page allocations from one particular
mapping within one node.

The fact that zone_reclaim_mode really improves on Dave's numbers
*that* dramatically does seem to imply that there is something to be
said for this.

We do *not* want to limit the whole page cache to a particular node -
that sounds very unreasonable in general. But limiting any particular
file mapping (by default - I'm sure there are things like databases
that just want their one DB file to take over all of memory) to a
single node sounds much less unreasonable.

What do you guys think? Worth exploring?

                    Linus

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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: lkp@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [xfs] 68a9f5e700: aim7.jobs-per-min -13.6% regression
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:55:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFyEQhjm9CU0yhk0WBAArB9soOA0JfWzjricnOqG9GB41g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160818132414.GK8119@techsingularity.net>

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 6:24 AM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 05:11:11PM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
>> FWIW, I just remembered about /proc/sys/vm/zone_reclaim_mode.
>>
>
> That is a terrifying "fix" for this problem. It just happens to work
> because there is no spillover to other nodes so only one kswapd instance
> is potentially active.

Well, it may be a terrifying fix, but it does bring up an intriguing
notion: maybe what we should think about is to make the actual page
cache allocations be more "node-sticky" for a particular mapping? Not
some hard node binding, but if we were to make a single mapping *tend*
to allocate pages primarily within the same node, that would have the
kind of secondary afvantage that it would avoid the cross-node mapping
locking.

Think of it as a gentler "guiding" fix to the spinlock contention
issue than a hard hammer.

And trying to (at least initially) keep the allocations of one
particular file to one particular node sounds like it could have other
locality advantages too.

In fact, looking at the __page_cache_alloc(), we already have that
"spread pages out" logic. I'm assuming Dave doesn't actually have that
bit set (I don't think it's the default), but I'm also envisioning
that maybe we could extend on that notion, and try to spread out
allocations in general, but keep page allocations from one particular
mapping within one node.

The fact that zone_reclaim_mode really improves on Dave's numbers
*that* dramatically does seem to imply that there is something to be
said for this.

We do *not* want to limit the whole page cache to a particular node -
that sounds very unreasonable in general. But limiting any particular
file mapping (by default - I'm sure there are things like databases
that just want their one DB file to take over all of memory) to a
single node sounds much less unreasonable.

What do you guys think? Worth exploring?

                    Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-19  0:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 219+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-09 14:33 [lkp] [xfs] 68a9f5e700: aim7.jobs-per-min -13.6% regression kernel test robot
2016-08-09 14:33 ` kernel test robot
2016-08-10 18:24 ` [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-10 18:24   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-10 23:08   ` [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-10 23:08     ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-10 23:51     ` [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-10 23:51       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-10 23:58       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-08-10 23:58         ` Huang, Ying
2016-08-11  0:11         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-08-11  0:11           ` Huang, Ying
2016-08-11  0:23           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11  0:23             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11  0:33             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-08-11  0:33               ` Huang, Ying
2016-08-11  1:00               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11  1:00                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11  4:46                 ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-11  4:46                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-15 17:22                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-08-15 17:22                     ` Huang, Ying
2016-08-16  0:08                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-16  0:08                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-11 15:57                 ` [LKP] [lkp] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-11 15:57                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-11 16:55                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11 16:55                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11 17:51                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-08-11 17:51                       ` Huang, Ying
2016-08-11 19:51                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11 19:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11 20:00                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-11 20:00                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-11 20:35                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11 20:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11 22:16                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Al Viro
2016-08-11 22:16                               ` Al Viro
2016-08-11 22:30                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11 22:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11 21:16                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-08-11 21:16                             ` Huang, Ying
2016-08-11 21:40                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11 21:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-11 22:08                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-11 22:08                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-12  0:54                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  0:54                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  2:23                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  2:23                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  2:32                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-12  2:32                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-12  2:52                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-12  2:52                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-12  3:20                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-12  3:20                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-12  4:16                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  4:16                               ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  5:02                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-12  5:02                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-12  6:04                                 ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  6:04                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  6:29                                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Ye Xiaolong
2016-08-12  6:29                                     ` Ye Xiaolong
2016-08-12  8:51                                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Ye Xiaolong
2016-08-12  8:51                                       ` Ye Xiaolong
2016-08-12 10:02                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-12 10:02                                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-12 10:43                                         ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-12 10:43                                           ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-13  0:30                                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-13  0:30                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-13 21:48                                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-13 21:48                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-13 22:07                                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Fengguang Wu
2016-08-13 22:07                                               ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-13 22:15                                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-13 22:15                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-13 22:51                                                 ` [LKP] [lkp] " Fengguang Wu
2016-08-13 22:51                                                   ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-14 14:50                                                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Fengguang Wu
2016-08-14 14:50                                                     ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-14 16:17                                                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-14 16:17                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-14 23:46                                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-14 23:46                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-14 23:57                                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Fengguang Wu
2016-08-14 23:57                                                         ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-15 14:14                                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Fengguang Wu
2016-08-15 14:14                                                         ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-15 21:22                                                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-15 21:22                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-16 12:20                                                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Fengguang Wu
2016-08-16 12:20                                                             ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-15 20:30                                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-08-15 20:30                                                         ` Huang, Ying
2016-08-22 22:09                                                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-08-22 22:09                                                           ` Huang, Ying
2016-09-26  6:25                                                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-09-26  6:25                                                             ` Huang, Ying
2016-09-26 14:55                                                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-26 14:55                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-27  0:52                                                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-09-27  0:52                                                                 ` Huang, Ying
2016-08-16 13:25                                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Fengguang Wu
2016-08-16 13:25                                                         ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-13 23:32                                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-13 23:32                                             ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  2:27                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-12  2:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-12  3:56                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  3:56                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-12 18:03                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-12 18:03                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-13 23:58                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Fengguang Wu
2016-08-13 23:58                               ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-15  0:48                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-15  0:48                               ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-15  1:37                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15  1:37                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15  2:28                                 ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-15  2:28                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-15  2:53                                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15  2:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15  5:00                                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-15  5:00                                       ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                                       ` <CA+55aFwva2Xffai+Eqv1Jn_NGryk3YJ2i5JoHOQnbQv6qVPAsw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <CA+55aFy14nUnJQ_GdF=j8Fa9xiH70c6fY2G3q5HQ01+8z1z3qQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-15  5:12                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15 22:22                                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-15 22:22                                               ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-15 22:42                                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-15 22:42                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-15 23:20                                                 ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15 23:20                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15 23:48                                                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15 23:48                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16  0:44                                                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-16  0:44                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-16 15:05                                                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Mel Gorman
2016-08-16 15:05                                                       ` Mel Gorman
2016-08-16 17:47                                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16 17:47                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-17 15:48                                                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Michal Hocko
2016-08-17 15:48                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-17 16:42                                                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Michal Hocko
2016-08-17 16:42                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-17 15:49                                                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Mel Gorman
2016-08-17 15:49                                                           ` Mel Gorman
2016-08-18  0:45                                                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Mel Gorman
2016-08-18  0:45                                                             ` Mel Gorman
2016-08-18  7:11                                                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-18  7:11                                                               ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-18 13:24                                                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Mel Gorman
2016-08-18 13:24                                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2016-08-18 17:55                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2016-08-18 17:55                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-18 21:19                                                                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-18 21:19                                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-18 22:25                                                                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-18 22:25                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-19  9:00                                                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Michal Hocko
2016-08-19  9:00                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-19 10:49                                                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Mel Gorman
2016-08-19 10:49                                                                         ` Mel Gorman
2016-08-19 23:48                                                                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-19 23:48                                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-20  1:08                                                                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-20  1:08                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-20 12:16                                                                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Mel Gorman
2016-08-20 12:16                                                                             ` Mel Gorman
2016-08-19 15:08                                                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Mel Gorman
2016-08-19 15:08                                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-01 23:32                                                                 ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-09-01 23:32                                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-06 15:37                                                                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Mel Gorman
2016-09-06 15:37                                                                     ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-06 15:52                                                                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-09-06 15:52                                                                       ` Huang, Ying
2016-08-24 15:40                                                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Huang, Ying
2016-08-24 15:40                                                               ` Huang, Ying
2016-08-25  9:37                                                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Mel Gorman
2016-08-25  9:37                                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2016-08-18  2:44                                                           ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-18  2:44                                                             ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-16  0:15                                                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16  0:15                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16  0:38                                                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-16  0:38                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-16  0:50                                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16  0:50                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16  0:19                                                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-16  0:19                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-16  1:51                                                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16  1:51                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16 22:02                                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-16 22:02                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-16 23:23                                                         ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16 23:23                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15 23:01                                               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15 23:01                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16  0:17                                                 ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-16  0:17                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-16  0:45                                                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Linus Torvalds
2016-08-16  0:45                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-15  5:03                                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Ingo Molnar
2016-08-15  5:03                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2016-08-17 16:24                                       ` [LKP] [lkp] " Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-17 16:24                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-15 12:58                             ` [LKP] [lkp] " Fengguang Wu
2016-08-15 12:58                               ` Fengguang Wu
2016-08-11  1:16               ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-11  1:16                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-11  1:32                 ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-11  1:32                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-11  2:36                   ` [LKP] [lkp] " Ye Xiaolong
2016-08-11  2:36                     ` Ye Xiaolong
2016-08-11  3:05                     ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-11  3:05                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  1:26                 ` [LKP] [lkp] " Dave Chinner
2016-08-12  1:26                   ` Dave Chinner

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