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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	 Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	 linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev,
	bwidawsk@kernel.org,  ira.weiny@intel.com,
	vishal.l.verma@intel.com, alison.schofield@intel.com,
	 a.manzanares@samsung.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	 Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, bp@alien8.de,
	 x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arch/cacheflush: Introduce flush_all_caches()
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 10:42:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA9_cmfBubQe6EGk5+wjotvofZavfjFud-JMPW13Au0gpAcWog@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220816165301.4m4w6zsse62z4hxz@offworld>

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 10:30 AM Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, Dan Williams wrote:
>
> >Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 09:07:06AM -0700, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> >> > diff --git a/arch/x86/include/asm/cacheflush.h b/arch/x86/include/asm/cacheflush.h
> >> > index b192d917a6d0..ce2ec9556093 100644
> >> > --- a/arch/x86/include/asm/cacheflush.h
> >> > +++ b/arch/x86/include/asm/cacheflush.h
> >> > @@ -10,4 +10,7 @@
> >> >
> >> >  void clflush_cache_range(void *addr, unsigned int size);
> >> >
> >> > +#define flush_all_caches() \
> >> > +  do { wbinvd_on_all_cpus(); } while(0)
> >> > +
> >>
> >> This is horrific... we've done our utmost best to remove all WBINVD
> >> usage and here you're adding it back in the most horrible form possible
> >> ?!?
> >>
> >> Please don't do this, do *NOT* use WBINVD.
> >
> >Unfortunately there are a few good options here, and the changelog did
> >not make clear that this is continuing legacy [1], not adding new wbinvd
> >usage.
>
> While I was hoping that it was obvious from the intel.c changes that this
> was not a new wbinvd, I can certainly improve the changelog with the below.

I also think this cache_flush_region() API wants a prominent comment
clarifying the limited applicability of this API. I.e. that it is not
for general purpose usage, not for VMs, and only for select bare metal
scenarios that instantaneously invalidate wide swaths of memory.
Otherwise, I can now see how this looks like a potentially scary
expansion of the usage of wbinvd.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	 Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	 linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev,
	bwidawsk@kernel.org,  ira.weiny@intel.com,
	vishal.l.verma@intel.com, alison.schofield@intel.com,
	 a.manzanares@samsung.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	 Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, bp@alien8.de,
	 x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arch/cacheflush: Introduce flush_all_caches()
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 10:42:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA9_cmfBubQe6EGk5+wjotvofZavfjFud-JMPW13Au0gpAcWog@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220816165301.4m4w6zsse62z4hxz@offworld>

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 10:30 AM Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, Dan Williams wrote:
>
> >Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 09:07:06AM -0700, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> >> > diff --git a/arch/x86/include/asm/cacheflush.h b/arch/x86/include/asm/cacheflush.h
> >> > index b192d917a6d0..ce2ec9556093 100644
> >> > --- a/arch/x86/include/asm/cacheflush.h
> >> > +++ b/arch/x86/include/asm/cacheflush.h
> >> > @@ -10,4 +10,7 @@
> >> >
> >> >  void clflush_cache_range(void *addr, unsigned int size);
> >> >
> >> > +#define flush_all_caches() \
> >> > +  do { wbinvd_on_all_cpus(); } while(0)
> >> > +
> >>
> >> This is horrific... we've done our utmost best to remove all WBINVD
> >> usage and here you're adding it back in the most horrible form possible
> >> ?!?
> >>
> >> Please don't do this, do *NOT* use WBINVD.
> >
> >Unfortunately there are a few good options here, and the changelog did
> >not make clear that this is continuing legacy [1], not adding new wbinvd
> >usage.
>
> While I was hoping that it was obvious from the intel.c changes that this
> was not a new wbinvd, I can certainly improve the changelog with the below.

I also think this cache_flush_region() API wants a prominent comment
clarifying the limited applicability of this API. I.e. that it is not
for general purpose usage, not for VMs, and only for select bare metal
scenarios that instantaneously invalidate wide swaths of memory.
Otherwise, I can now see how this looks like a potentially scary
expansion of the usage of wbinvd.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-16 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-15 21:08 [PATCH RFC 00/15] Introduce security commands for CXL pmem device Dave Jiang
2022-07-15 21:08 ` [PATCH RFC 01/15] cxl/pmem: Introduce nvdimm_security_ops with ->get_flags() operation Dave Jiang
2022-07-15 21:09   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-03 16:29     ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-07-18  5:34   ` [PATCH RFC 1/15] " Davidlohr Bueso
2022-07-15 21:08 ` [PATCH RFC 02/15] tools/testing/cxl: Create context for cxl mock device Dave Jiang
2022-07-18  6:29   ` [PATCH RFC 2/15] " Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-03 16:36   ` [PATCH RFC 02/15] " Jonathan Cameron
2022-08-09 20:30     ` Dave Jiang
2022-07-15 21:08 ` [PATCH RFC 03/15] tools/testing/cxl: Add "Get Security State" opcode support Dave Jiang
2022-08-03 16:51   ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-07-15 21:08 ` [PATCH RFC 04/15] cxl/pmem: Add "Set Passphrase" security command support Dave Jiang
2022-07-18  6:36   ` [PATCH RFC 4/15] " Davidlohr Bueso
2022-07-19 18:55     ` Dave Jiang
2022-08-03 17:01   ` [PATCH RFC 04/15] " Jonathan Cameron
2022-07-15 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 05/15] tools/testing/cxl: Add "Set Passphrase" opcode support Dave Jiang
2022-08-03 17:15   ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-07-15 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 06/15] cxl/pmem: Add Disable Passphrase security command support Dave Jiang
2022-08-03 17:21   ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-07-15 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 07/15] tools/testing/cxl: Add "Disable" security opcode support Dave Jiang
2022-08-03 17:23   ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-07-15 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 08/15] cxl/pmem: Add "Freeze Security State" security command support Dave Jiang
2022-08-03 17:23   ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-07-15 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 09/15] tools/testing/cxl: Add "Freeze Security State" security opcode support Dave Jiang
2022-07-15 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 10/15] x86: add an arch helper function to invalidate all cache for nvdimm Dave Jiang
2022-07-18  5:30   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-07-19 19:07     ` Dave Jiang
2022-08-03 17:37       ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-08-03 17:37         ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-08-09 21:47         ` Dave Jiang
2022-08-09 21:47           ` Dave Jiang
2022-08-10 14:15           ` Mark Rutland
2022-08-10 14:15             ` Mark Rutland
2022-08-10 14:31             ` Eliot Moss
2022-08-10 14:31               ` Eliot Moss
2022-08-10 18:09               ` Mark Rutland
2022-08-10 18:09                 ` Mark Rutland
2022-08-10 18:11                 ` Eliot Moss
2022-08-10 18:11                   ` Eliot Moss
2022-08-10 20:06             ` Dan Williams
2022-08-10 20:06               ` Dan Williams
2022-08-10 21:13               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-10 21:13                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-10 21:30                 ` Dan Williams
2022-08-10 21:30                   ` Dan Williams
2022-08-10 21:31                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-10 21:31                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-15 16:07               ` [PATCH] arch/cacheflush: Introduce flush_all_caches() Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-15 16:07                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-16  9:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-16  9:01                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-16 16:50                   ` Dan Williams
2022-08-16 16:50                     ` Dan Williams
2022-08-16 16:53                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-16 16:53                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-16 17:42                       ` Dan Williams [this message]
2022-08-16 17:42                         ` Dan Williams
2022-08-16 17:52                         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-16 17:52                           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-08-16 18:49                           ` Dan Williams
2022-08-16 18:49                             ` Dan Williams
2022-08-17  7:53                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-17  7:53                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-17  7:49                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-17  7:49                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-07-15 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 11/15] cxl/pmem: Add "Unlock" security command support Dave Jiang
2022-08-04 13:19   ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-08-09 22:31     ` Dave Jiang
2022-07-15 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 12/15] tools/testing/cxl: Add "Unlock" security opcode support Dave Jiang
2022-07-15 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 13/15] cxl/pmem: Add "Passphrase Secure Erase" security command support Dave Jiang
2022-07-20  6:17   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-07-20 17:38     ` Dave Jiang
2022-07-20 18:02       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2022-07-15 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 14/15] tools/testing/cxl: Add "passphrase secure erase" opcode support Dave Jiang
2022-07-15 21:10 ` [PATCH RFC 15/15] nvdimm/cxl/pmem: Add support for master passphrase disable security command Dave Jiang
2022-07-15 21:29 ` [PATCH RFC 00/15] Introduce security commands for CXL pmem device Davidlohr Bueso
2022-07-19 18:53   ` Dave Jiang
2022-08-03 17:03 ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-08-08 22:18   ` Dave Jiang

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