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From: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@gmail.com>
To: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xuefeng Li <lixuefeng@loongson.cn>,
	Yanteng Si <siyanteng@loongson.cn>, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	Xuerui Wang <kernel@xen0n.name>,
	Jiaxun Yang <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V9 21/24] LoongArch: Add zboot (compressed kernel) support
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 16:46:50 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAhV-H58HXicH7jj88BFUH8P9cGwXFGjgOoLvZubQsBst+zheQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ym4qNILcz+W7dC9i@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

Hi, Russell,

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 2:35 PM Russell King (Oracle)
<linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 01, 2022 at 01:22:25PM +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > Hi, Arnd,
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 7:02 PM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:05 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This patch adds zboot (self-extracting compressed kernel) support, all
> > > > existing in-kernel compressing algorithm and efistub are supported.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>
> > >
> > > I have no objections to adding a decompressor in principle, and
> > > the implementation seems reasonable. However, I think we should try to
> > > be consistent between architectures. On both arm64 and riscv, the
> > > maintainers decided to not include a decompressor and instead leave
> > > it up to the boot loader to decompress the kernel and enter it from there.
> > X86, ARM32 and MIPS already support self-extracting kernel, and in
> > 5.17 we even support self-extracting modules. So I think a
> > self-extracting kernel is better than a pure compressed kernel.
>
> FYI, kernel modules are not self-extracting. They don't contain the code
> to do the decompression - that is contained within the kernel, and it is
> the kernel that does the decompression. The userspace tooling tells the
> kernel that the module is compressed.
I call "self-extracting" here means we don't need out-of-kernel help:
kernel decompress doesn't need the bootloader, module decompress
doesn't need kmod.

Huacai
>
> --
> RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
> FTTP is here! 40Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last!

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From: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@gmail.com>
To: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>,
	 Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xuefeng Li <lixuefeng@loongson.cn>,
	 Yanteng Si <siyanteng@loongson.cn>, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	 Xuerui Wang <kernel@xen0n.name>,
	Jiaxun Yang <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>,
	 Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	 Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	 linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	 Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	 Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V9 21/24] LoongArch: Add zboot (compressed kernel) support
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 16:46:50 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAhV-H58HXicH7jj88BFUH8P9cGwXFGjgOoLvZubQsBst+zheQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ym4qNILcz+W7dC9i@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

Hi, Russell,

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 2:35 PM Russell King (Oracle)
<linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 01, 2022 at 01:22:25PM +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > Hi, Arnd,
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 7:02 PM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:05 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This patch adds zboot (self-extracting compressed kernel) support, all
> > > > existing in-kernel compressing algorithm and efistub are supported.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>
> > >
> > > I have no objections to adding a decompressor in principle, and
> > > the implementation seems reasonable. However, I think we should try to
> > > be consistent between architectures. On both arm64 and riscv, the
> > > maintainers decided to not include a decompressor and instead leave
> > > it up to the boot loader to decompress the kernel and enter it from there.
> > X86, ARM32 and MIPS already support self-extracting kernel, and in
> > 5.17 we even support self-extracting modules. So I think a
> > self-extracting kernel is better than a pure compressed kernel.
>
> FYI, kernel modules are not self-extracting. They don't contain the code
> to do the decompression - that is contained within the kernel, and it is
> the kernel that does the decompression. The userspace tooling tells the
> kernel that the module is compressed.
I call "self-extracting" here means we don't need out-of-kernel help:
kernel decompress doesn't need the bootloader, module decompress
doesn't need kmod.

Huacai
>
> --
> RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
> FTTP is here! 40Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last!

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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@gmail.com>
To: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>,
	 Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xuefeng Li <lixuefeng@loongson.cn>,
	 Yanteng Si <siyanteng@loongson.cn>, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	 Xuerui Wang <kernel@xen0n.name>,
	Jiaxun Yang <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>,
	 Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	 Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	 linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	 Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	 Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V9 21/24] LoongArch: Add zboot (compressed kernel) support
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 16:46:50 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAhV-H58HXicH7jj88BFUH8P9cGwXFGjgOoLvZubQsBst+zheQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ym4qNILcz+W7dC9i@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

Hi, Russell,

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 2:35 PM Russell King (Oracle)
<linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 01, 2022 at 01:22:25PM +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > Hi, Arnd,
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 7:02 PM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:05 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This patch adds zboot (self-extracting compressed kernel) support, all
> > > > existing in-kernel compressing algorithm and efistub are supported.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>
> > >
> > > I have no objections to adding a decompressor in principle, and
> > > the implementation seems reasonable. However, I think we should try to
> > > be consistent between architectures. On both arm64 and riscv, the
> > > maintainers decided to not include a decompressor and instead leave
> > > it up to the boot loader to decompress the kernel and enter it from there.
> > X86, ARM32 and MIPS already support self-extracting kernel, and in
> > 5.17 we even support self-extracting modules. So I think a
> > self-extracting kernel is better than a pure compressed kernel.
>
> FYI, kernel modules are not self-extracting. They don't contain the code
> to do the decompression - that is contained within the kernel, and it is
> the kernel that does the decompression. The userspace tooling tells the
> kernel that the module is compressed.
I call "self-extracting" here means we don't need out-of-kernel help:
kernel decompress doesn't need the bootloader, module decompress
doesn't need kmod.

Huacai
>
> --
> RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
> FTTP is here! 40Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last!

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-01  8:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-30  9:04 [PATCH V9 00/22] arch: Add basic LoongArch support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:04 ` [PATCH V9 01/24] Documentation: LoongArch: Add basic documentations Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  7:48   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-05-01  8:55     ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  9:32   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 10:17     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:04 ` [PATCH V9 02/24] Documentation/zh_CN: Add basic LoongArch documentations Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  9:38   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-04-30  9:04 ` [PATCH V9 03/24] LoongArch: Add elf-related definitions Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  9:41   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 14:27     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:04 ` [PATCH V9 04/24] LoongArch: Add writecombine support for drm Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:04 ` [PATCH V9 05/24] LoongArch: Add build infrastructure Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 10:09   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 12:41     ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 15:43     ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 06/24] LoongArch: Add CPU definition headers Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 11:05   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 15:07     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 07/24] LoongArch: Add atomic/locking headers Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 11:16   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 13:16     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 08/24] LoongArch: Add other common headers Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 11:39   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 14:26     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 09/24] LoongArch: Add boot and setup routines Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 10/24] LoongArch: Add exception/interrupt handling Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 16:27   ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-05-01 17:08     ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-05-02  0:01       ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 11/24] LoongArch: Add process management Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 12/24] LoongArch: Add memory management Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 13/24] LoongArch: Add system call support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:44   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 10:05     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30 10:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-07 12:11         ` Christian Brauner
2022-05-09 10:00           ` Christian Brauner
2022-05-11  7:11             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-11 21:12               ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2022-05-12  7:21                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-12 12:11                   ` Rich Felker
2022-05-11 16:17             ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 14/24] LoongArch: Add signal handling support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 15/24] LoongArch: Add elf and module support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 16/24] LoongArch: Add misc common routines Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:50   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 10:00     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30 10:41       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 13:22         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-05-01  5:12           ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 17/24] LoongArch: Add some library functions Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 10:55   ` Guo Ren
2022-05-01 12:18     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 18/24] LoongArch: Add PCI controller support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 19/24] LoongArch: Add VDSO and VSYSCALL support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 20/24] LoongArch: Add efistub booting support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 10:02     ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-03  7:23     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-05-05  9:59       ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-06  8:14         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-05-06 11:26           ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-06 11:41             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-06 13:20               ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-13 19:32                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-14  2:27                   ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 21/24] LoongArch: Add zboot (compressed kernel) support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30 10:07   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 10:07     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 10:07     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-01  5:22     ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  5:22       ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  5:22       ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  6:35       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01  6:35         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01  6:35         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01  8:46         ` Huacai Chen [this message]
2022-05-01  8:46           ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  8:46           ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 11:28           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01 11:28             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01 11:28             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01  8:33       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-01  8:33         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-01  8:33         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-01 23:36     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-05-01 23:36       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-05-01 23:36       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 22/24] LoongArch: Add multi-processor (SMP) support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 23/24] LoongArch: Add Non-Uniform Memory Access (NUMA) support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 24/24] LoongArch: Add Loongson-3 default config file Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  8:19 ` [PATCH V9 00/22] arch: Add basic LoongArch support Bagas Sanjaya
2022-05-01  8:55   ` Huacai Chen

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