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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@gmail.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
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	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
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	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V9 21/24] LoongArch: Add zboot (compressed kernel) support
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:33:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a0E7P_TOJsT9=+O56L2=oyeMGckTvkb4OnK1MPcETLdtg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAhV-H6vPdLeup38YTj64Xxxk+PTact=DMJTs9efsa1b3t-y2A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:22 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 7:02 PM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:05 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn> wrote:
> > >
> > > This patch adds zboot (self-extracting compressed kernel) support, all
> > > existing in-kernel compressing algorithm and efistub are supported.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>
> >
> > I have no objections to adding a decompressor in principle, and
> > the implementation seems reasonable. However, I think we should try to
> > be consistent between architectures. On both arm64 and riscv, the
> > maintainers decided to not include a decompressor and instead leave
> > it up to the boot loader to decompress the kernel and enter it from there.
>
> X86, ARM32 and MIPS already support self-extracting kernel, and in
> 5.17 we even support self-extracting modules. So I think a
> self-extracting kernel is better than a pure compressed kernel.

These three support it because they always have and it's hard to
remove features later because it breaks user setups. Among the
architectures we merged since the start of the git history in 2005, only
xtensa supports compressed kernels, the rest rely on the boot loader.

> > Adding the arm64, risc-v and uefi maintainers for further discussion here,
> > see full below.
>
> Keeping consistency across architectures (support self-extracting for
> all modern architectures) looks good to me, but can we do that after
> this series? I think that needs a long time to discuss and develop.

Right, just drop this patch then, and we can get back to doing it for
all UEFI users after loongarch is merged.

      Arnd

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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@gmail.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>,
	 Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xuefeng Li <lixuefeng@loongson.cn>,
	 Yanteng Si <siyanteng@loongson.cn>, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	 Xuerui Wang <kernel@xen0n.name>,
	Jiaxun Yang <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>,
	 Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	 Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	 linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	 Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	 Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V9 21/24] LoongArch: Add zboot (compressed kernel) support
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:33:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a0E7P_TOJsT9=+O56L2=oyeMGckTvkb4OnK1MPcETLdtg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAhV-H6vPdLeup38YTj64Xxxk+PTact=DMJTs9efsa1b3t-y2A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:22 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 7:02 PM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:05 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn> wrote:
> > >
> > > This patch adds zboot (self-extracting compressed kernel) support, all
> > > existing in-kernel compressing algorithm and efistub are supported.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>
> >
> > I have no objections to adding a decompressor in principle, and
> > the implementation seems reasonable. However, I think we should try to
> > be consistent between architectures. On both arm64 and riscv, the
> > maintainers decided to not include a decompressor and instead leave
> > it up to the boot loader to decompress the kernel and enter it from there.
>
> X86, ARM32 and MIPS already support self-extracting kernel, and in
> 5.17 we even support self-extracting modules. So I think a
> self-extracting kernel is better than a pure compressed kernel.

These three support it because they always have and it's hard to
remove features later because it breaks user setups. Among the
architectures we merged since the start of the git history in 2005, only
xtensa supports compressed kernels, the rest rely on the boot loader.

> > Adding the arm64, risc-v and uefi maintainers for further discussion here,
> > see full below.
>
> Keeping consistency across architectures (support self-extracting for
> all modern architectures) looks good to me, but can we do that after
> this series? I think that needs a long time to discuss and develop.

Right, just drop this patch then, and we can get back to doing it for
all UEFI users after loongarch is merged.

      Arnd

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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@gmail.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>,
	 Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xuefeng Li <lixuefeng@loongson.cn>,
	 Yanteng Si <siyanteng@loongson.cn>, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	 Xuerui Wang <kernel@xen0n.name>,
	Jiaxun Yang <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>,
	 Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	 Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	 linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	 Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	 Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V9 21/24] LoongArch: Add zboot (compressed kernel) support
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:33:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a0E7P_TOJsT9=+O56L2=oyeMGckTvkb4OnK1MPcETLdtg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAhV-H6vPdLeup38YTj64Xxxk+PTact=DMJTs9efsa1b3t-y2A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:22 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 7:02 PM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:05 AM Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn> wrote:
> > >
> > > This patch adds zboot (self-extracting compressed kernel) support, all
> > > existing in-kernel compressing algorithm and efistub are supported.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>
> >
> > I have no objections to adding a decompressor in principle, and
> > the implementation seems reasonable. However, I think we should try to
> > be consistent between architectures. On both arm64 and riscv, the
> > maintainers decided to not include a decompressor and instead leave
> > it up to the boot loader to decompress the kernel and enter it from there.
>
> X86, ARM32 and MIPS already support self-extracting kernel, and in
> 5.17 we even support self-extracting modules. So I think a
> self-extracting kernel is better than a pure compressed kernel.

These three support it because they always have and it's hard to
remove features later because it breaks user setups. Among the
architectures we merged since the start of the git history in 2005, only
xtensa supports compressed kernels, the rest rely on the boot loader.

> > Adding the arm64, risc-v and uefi maintainers for further discussion here,
> > see full below.
>
> Keeping consistency across architectures (support self-extracting for
> all modern architectures) looks good to me, but can we do that after
> this series? I think that needs a long time to discuss and develop.

Right, just drop this patch then, and we can get back to doing it for
all UEFI users after loongarch is merged.

      Arnd

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-01  8:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-30  9:04 [PATCH V9 00/22] arch: Add basic LoongArch support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:04 ` [PATCH V9 01/24] Documentation: LoongArch: Add basic documentations Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  7:48   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-05-01  8:55     ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  9:32   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 10:17     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:04 ` [PATCH V9 02/24] Documentation/zh_CN: Add basic LoongArch documentations Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  9:38   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-04-30  9:04 ` [PATCH V9 03/24] LoongArch: Add elf-related definitions Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  9:41   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 14:27     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:04 ` [PATCH V9 04/24] LoongArch: Add writecombine support for drm Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:04 ` [PATCH V9 05/24] LoongArch: Add build infrastructure Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 10:09   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 12:41     ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 15:43     ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 06/24] LoongArch: Add CPU definition headers Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 11:05   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 15:07     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 07/24] LoongArch: Add atomic/locking headers Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 11:16   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 13:16     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 08/24] LoongArch: Add other common headers Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 11:39   ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-01 14:26     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 09/24] LoongArch: Add boot and setup routines Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 10/24] LoongArch: Add exception/interrupt handling Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 16:27   ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-05-01 17:08     ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-05-02  0:01       ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 11/24] LoongArch: Add process management Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 12/24] LoongArch: Add memory management Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 13/24] LoongArch: Add system call support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:44   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 10:05     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30 10:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-07 12:11         ` Christian Brauner
2022-05-09 10:00           ` Christian Brauner
2022-05-11  7:11             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-11 21:12               ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2022-05-12  7:21                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-12 12:11                   ` Rich Felker
2022-05-11 16:17             ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 14/24] LoongArch: Add signal handling support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 15/24] LoongArch: Add elf and module support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 16/24] LoongArch: Add misc common routines Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:50   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 10:00     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30 10:41       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 13:22         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-05-01  5:12           ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 17/24] LoongArch: Add some library functions Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 10:55   ` Guo Ren
2022-05-01 12:18     ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 18/24] LoongArch: Add PCI controller support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 19/24] LoongArch: Add VDSO and VSYSCALL support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 20/24] LoongArch: Add efistub booting support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 10:02     ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-03  7:23     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-05-05  9:59       ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-06  8:14         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-05-06 11:26           ` WANG Xuerui
2022-05-06 11:41             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-06 13:20               ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-13 19:32                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-14  2:27                   ` Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 21/24] LoongArch: Add zboot (compressed kernel) support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30 10:07   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 10:07     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-30 10:07     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-01  5:22     ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  5:22       ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  5:22       ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  6:35       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01  6:35         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01  6:35         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01  8:46         ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  8:46           ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  8:46           ` Huacai Chen
2022-05-01 11:28           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01 11:28             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01 11:28             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-05-01  8:33       ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2022-05-01  8:33         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-01  8:33         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-01 23:36     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-05-01 23:36       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-05-01 23:36       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 22/24] LoongArch: Add multi-processor (SMP) support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 23/24] LoongArch: Add Non-Uniform Memory Access (NUMA) support Huacai Chen
2022-04-30  9:05 ` [PATCH V9 24/24] LoongArch: Add Loongson-3 default config file Huacai Chen
2022-05-01  8:19 ` [PATCH V9 00/22] arch: Add basic LoongArch support Bagas Sanjaya
2022-05-01  8:55   ` Huacai Chen

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