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From: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com>
To: Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@intel.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Linux PCI <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	nouveau <nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
	Mario Limonciello <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] pci: prevent putting nvidia GPUs into lower device states on certain intel bridges
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 16:37:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACO55tvo3rbPtYJcioEgXCEQqVXcVAm-iowr9Nim=bgTdMjgLw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191120151542.GH11621@lahna.fi.intel.com>

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 4:15 PM Mika Westerberg
<mika.westerberg@intel.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 01:11:52PM +0100, Karol Herbst wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:09 PM Mika Westerberg
> > <mika.westerberg@intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:58:00PM +0100, Karol Herbst wrote:
> > > > overall, what I really want to know is, _why_ does it work on windows?
> > >
> > > So do I ;-)
> > >
> > > > Or what are we doing differently on Linux so that it doesn't work? If
> > > > anybody has any idea on how we could dig into this and figure it out
> > > > on this level, this would probably allow us to get closer to the root
> > > > cause? no?
> > >
> > > Have you tried to use the acpi_rev_override parameter in your system and
> > > does it have any effect?
> > >
> > > Also did you try to trace the ACPI _ON/_OFF() methods? I think that
> > > should hopefully reveal something.
> > >
> >
> > I think I did in the past and it seemed to have worked, there is just
> > one big issue with this: it's a Dell specific workaround afaik, and
> > this issue plagues not just Dell, but we've seen it on HP and Lenovo
> > laptops as well, and I've heard about users having the same issues on
> > Asus and MSI laptops as well.
>
> Maybe it is not a workaround at all but instead it simply determines
> whether the system supports RTD3 or something like that (IIRC Windows 8
> started supporting it). Maybe Dell added check for Linux because at that
> time Linux did not support it.
>

the point is, it's not checking it by default, so by default you still
run into the windows 8 codepath.

> In case RTD3 is supported it invokes LKDS() which probably does the L2
> or L3 entry and this is for some reason does not work the same way in
> Linux than it does with Windows 8+.
>
> I don't remember if this happens only with nouveau or with the
> proprietary driver as well but looking at the nouveau runtime PM suspend
> hook (assuming I'm looking at the correct code):
>
> static int
> nouveau_pmops_runtime_suspend(struct device *dev)
> {
>         struct pci_dev *pdev = to_pci_dev(dev);
>         struct drm_device *drm_dev = pci_get_drvdata(pdev);
>         int ret;
>
>         if (!nouveau_pmops_runtime()) {
>                 pm_runtime_forbid(dev);
>                 return -EBUSY;
>         }
>
>         nouveau_switcheroo_optimus_dsm();
>         ret = nouveau_do_suspend(drm_dev, true);
>         pci_save_state(pdev);
>         pci_disable_device(pdev);
>         pci_ignore_hotplug(pdev);
>         pci_set_power_state(pdev, PCI_D3cold);
>         drm_dev->switch_power_state = DRM_SWITCH_POWER_DYNAMIC_OFF;
>         return ret;
> }
>
> Normally PCI drivers leave the PCI bus PM things to PCI core but here
> the driver does these. So I wonder if it makes any difference if we let
> the core handle all that:
>
> static int
> nouveau_pmops_runtime_suspend(struct device *dev)
> {
>         struct pci_dev *pdev = to_pci_dev(dev);
>         struct drm_device *drm_dev = pci_get_drvdata(pdev);
>         int ret;
>
>         if (!nouveau_pmops_runtime()) {
>                 pm_runtime_forbid(dev);
>                 return -EBUSY;
>         }
>
>         nouveau_switcheroo_optimus_dsm();
>         ret = nouveau_do_suspend(drm_dev, true);
>         pci_ignore_hotplug(pdev);
>         drm_dev->switch_power_state = DRM_SWITCH_POWER_DYNAMIC_OFF;
>         return ret;
> }
>
> and similar for the nouveau_pmops_runtime_resume().
>

yeah, I tried that at some point and it didn't help either. The reason
we call those from inside Nouveau is to support systems pre _PR where
nouveau invokes custom _DSM calls on its own. We could potentially
check for that though.


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com>
To: Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@intel.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Linux PCI <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Mario Limonciello <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	nouveau <nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] pci: prevent putting nvidia GPUs into lower device states on certain intel bridges
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 16:37:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACO55tvo3rbPtYJcioEgXCEQqVXcVAm-iowr9Nim=bgTdMjgLw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191120151542.GH11621@lahna.fi.intel.com>

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 4:15 PM Mika Westerberg
<mika.westerberg@intel.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 01:11:52PM +0100, Karol Herbst wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:09 PM Mika Westerberg
> > <mika.westerberg@intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:58:00PM +0100, Karol Herbst wrote:
> > > > overall, what I really want to know is, _why_ does it work on windows?
> > >
> > > So do I ;-)
> > >
> > > > Or what are we doing differently on Linux so that it doesn't work? If
> > > > anybody has any idea on how we could dig into this and figure it out
> > > > on this level, this would probably allow us to get closer to the root
> > > > cause? no?
> > >
> > > Have you tried to use the acpi_rev_override parameter in your system and
> > > does it have any effect?
> > >
> > > Also did you try to trace the ACPI _ON/_OFF() methods? I think that
> > > should hopefully reveal something.
> > >
> >
> > I think I did in the past and it seemed to have worked, there is just
> > one big issue with this: it's a Dell specific workaround afaik, and
> > this issue plagues not just Dell, but we've seen it on HP and Lenovo
> > laptops as well, and I've heard about users having the same issues on
> > Asus and MSI laptops as well.
>
> Maybe it is not a workaround at all but instead it simply determines
> whether the system supports RTD3 or something like that (IIRC Windows 8
> started supporting it). Maybe Dell added check for Linux because at that
> time Linux did not support it.
>

the point is, it's not checking it by default, so by default you still
run into the windows 8 codepath.

> In case RTD3 is supported it invokes LKDS() which probably does the L2
> or L3 entry and this is for some reason does not work the same way in
> Linux than it does with Windows 8+.
>
> I don't remember if this happens only with nouveau or with the
> proprietary driver as well but looking at the nouveau runtime PM suspend
> hook (assuming I'm looking at the correct code):
>
> static int
> nouveau_pmops_runtime_suspend(struct device *dev)
> {
>         struct pci_dev *pdev = to_pci_dev(dev);
>         struct drm_device *drm_dev = pci_get_drvdata(pdev);
>         int ret;
>
>         if (!nouveau_pmops_runtime()) {
>                 pm_runtime_forbid(dev);
>                 return -EBUSY;
>         }
>
>         nouveau_switcheroo_optimus_dsm();
>         ret = nouveau_do_suspend(drm_dev, true);
>         pci_save_state(pdev);
>         pci_disable_device(pdev);
>         pci_ignore_hotplug(pdev);
>         pci_set_power_state(pdev, PCI_D3cold);
>         drm_dev->switch_power_state = DRM_SWITCH_POWER_DYNAMIC_OFF;
>         return ret;
> }
>
> Normally PCI drivers leave the PCI bus PM things to PCI core but here
> the driver does these. So I wonder if it makes any difference if we let
> the core handle all that:
>
> static int
> nouveau_pmops_runtime_suspend(struct device *dev)
> {
>         struct pci_dev *pdev = to_pci_dev(dev);
>         struct drm_device *drm_dev = pci_get_drvdata(pdev);
>         int ret;
>
>         if (!nouveau_pmops_runtime()) {
>                 pm_runtime_forbid(dev);
>                 return -EBUSY;
>         }
>
>         nouveau_switcheroo_optimus_dsm();
>         ret = nouveau_do_suspend(drm_dev, true);
>         pci_ignore_hotplug(pdev);
>         drm_dev->switch_power_state = DRM_SWITCH_POWER_DYNAMIC_OFF;
>         return ret;
> }
>
> and similar for the nouveau_pmops_runtime_resume().
>

yeah, I tried that at some point and it didn't help either. The reason
we call those from inside Nouveau is to support systems pre _PR where
nouveau invokes custom _DSM calls on its own. We could potentially
check for that though.

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Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-17 12:19 [PATCH v4] pci: prevent putting nvidia GPUs into lower device states on certain intel bridges Karol Herbst
2019-11-14 19:17 ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-14 19:17   ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-19 20:06 ` Dave Airlie
2019-11-19 20:06   ` Dave Airlie
2019-11-19 20:06   ` Dave Airlie
2019-11-19 21:49 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-19 21:49   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-19 22:26   ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-19 22:26     ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-19 22:26     ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-19 22:57     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-19 22:57       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-20 10:18     ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 10:18       ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 10:52       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 10:52         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 10:52         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 11:22         ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 11:22           ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 11:48           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 11:48             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 11:51             ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 11:51               ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 12:06               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 12:06                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 12:06                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 12:09                 ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 12:09                   ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 12:09                   ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 12:14                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 12:14                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 12:19                     ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 12:19                       ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 12:11                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 12:11                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 11:51           ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 11:51             ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 11:54             ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 11:54               ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 11:54               ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 11:58               ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 11:58                 ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 11:58                 ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 12:09                 ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 12:09                   ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 12:11                   ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 12:11                     ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 12:11                     ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 15:15                     ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 15:15                       ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 15:37                       ` Karol Herbst [this message]
2019-11-20 15:37                         ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 15:53                         ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 15:53                           ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 16:23                           ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 16:23                             ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-20 21:36                             ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 21:36                               ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 21:36                               ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-21 10:14                               ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 10:14                                 ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 11:03                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:03                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:08                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:08                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:08                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:15                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:15                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:17                                   ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 11:17                                     ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 11:31                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:31                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 21:37                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 21:37                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 21:40                             ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 21:40                               ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-20 22:29                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-20 22:29                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:28                                 ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 11:28                                   ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 11:34                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:34                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:34                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 11:46                                     ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 11:46                                       ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 12:52                                       ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 12:52                                         ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 12:56                                         ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-21 12:56                                           ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-21 15:43                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 15:43                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 15:43                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 19:49                                           ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 19:49                                             ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-21 22:39                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 22:39                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 22:39                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 22:50                                               ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-21 22:50                                                 ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-22  0:13                                                 ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-22  0:13                                                   ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-22  9:07                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-22  9:07                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-22 11:30                                                     ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-22 11:30                                                       ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-22 11:30                                                       ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-22 10:36                                               ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-22 10:36                                                 ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-22 11:30                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-22 11:30                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-22 11:34                                                   ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-22 11:34                                                     ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-22 11:34                                                     ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-22 11:54                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-22 11:54                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-22 11:52                                                   ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-22 11:52                                                     ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-22 12:15                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-22 12:15                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 12:52                                       ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-21 12:52                                         ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-21 15:47                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 15:47                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 16:06                                           ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-21 16:06                                             ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-21 16:39                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-21 16:39                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-26 23:10                                               ` Lyude Paul
2019-11-26 23:10                                                 ` Lyude Paul
2019-11-27 11:48                                                 ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-27 11:48                                                   ` Mika Westerberg
2019-11-27 11:51                                                   ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-27 11:51                                                     ` Karol Herbst
2019-11-27 19:51                                                     ` Lyude Paul
2019-11-27 19:51                                                       ` Lyude Paul
2019-12-09 11:17                                                       ` Karol Herbst
2019-12-09 11:17                                                         ` Karol Herbst
2019-12-09 11:38                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-12-09 11:38                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-12-09 11:38                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-12-09 12:24                                                           ` Karol Herbst
2019-12-09 12:24                                                             ` Karol Herbst
2019-12-10 19:58                                                           ` Dave Airlie
2019-12-10 19:58                                                             ` Dave Airlie
2019-12-10 20:49                                                             ` Karol Herbst
2019-12-10 20:49                                                               ` Karol Herbst
2020-01-13 15:31                                                               ` Karol Herbst
2020-01-13 15:31                                                                 ` Karol Herbst
2020-01-13 15:31                                                                 ` Karol Herbst

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