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From: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
To: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
Cc: Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com>,
	Aaron Conole <aconole@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	syzkaller <syzkaller@googlegroups.com>,
	Vladislav Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>,
	linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kostya Serebryany <kcc@google.com>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: use-after-free in sctp_do_sm
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 17:12:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACT4Y+btkVJBtXkp0QAJhdoK_5TeVJ97GU_wOrMsPNG3E98vaQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1449175884.17296.2.camel@perches.com>

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com> wrote:
> (adding lkml as this is likely better discussed there)
>
> On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 15:42 -0500, Jason Baron wrote:
>> On 12/03/2015 03:24 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 15:10 -0500, Jason Baron wrote:
>> > > On 12/03/2015 03:03 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
>> > > > On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 14:32 -0500, Jason Baron wrote:
>> > > > > On 12/03/2015 01:52 PM, Aaron Conole wrote:
>> > > > > > I think that as a minimum, the following patch should be evaluted,
>> > > > > > but am unsure to whom I should submit it (after I test):
>> > > > []
>> > > > > Agreed - the intention here is certainly to have no side effects. It
>> > > > > looks like 'no_printk()' is used in quite a few other places that would
>> > > > > benefit from this change. So we probably want a generic
>> > > > > 'really_no_printk()' macro.
>> > > >
>> > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/6/17/231
>> > >
>> > > I don't see this in the tree.
>> >
>> > It never got applied.
>> >
>> > > Also maybe we should just convert
>> > > no_printk() to do what your 'eliminated_printk()'.
>> >
>> > Some of them at least.
>> >
>> > > So we can convert all users with this change?
>> >
>> > I don't think so, I think there are some
>> > function evaluation/side effects that are
>> > required.  I believe some do hardware I/O.
>> >
>> > It'd be good to at least isolate them.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure how to find them via some
>> > automated tool/mechanism though.
>> >
>> > I asked Julia Lawall about it once in this
>> > thread:  https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/12/3/696
>> >
>>
>> Seems rather fragile to have side effects that we rely
>> upon hidden in a printk().
>
> Yup.
>
>> Just convert them and see what breaks :)
>
> I appreciate your optimism.  It's very 1995.
> Try it and see what happens.


But Aaron says that DYNAMIC_DEBUG is enabled in most major
distributions, and all these side-effects don't happen with
DYNAMIC_DEBUG. This suggests that we can make these side-effects not
happen without DYNAMIC_DEBUG as well.
Or I am missing something here?

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
To: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
Cc: Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com>,
	Aaron Conole <aconole@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	syzkaller <syzkaller@googlegroups.com>,
	Vladislav Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>,
	linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kostya Serebryany <kcc@google.com>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: use-after-free in sctp_do_sm
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 16:12:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACT4Y+btkVJBtXkp0QAJhdoK_5TeVJ97GU_wOrMsPNG3E98vaQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1449175884.17296.2.camel@perches.com>

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com> wrote:
> (adding lkml as this is likely better discussed there)
>
> On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 15:42 -0500, Jason Baron wrote:
>> On 12/03/2015 03:24 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 15:10 -0500, Jason Baron wrote:
>> > > On 12/03/2015 03:03 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
>> > > > On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 14:32 -0500, Jason Baron wrote:
>> > > > > On 12/03/2015 01:52 PM, Aaron Conole wrote:
>> > > > > > I think that as a minimum, the following patch should be evaluted,
>> > > > > > but am unsure to whom I should submit it (after I test):
>> > > > []
>> > > > > Agreed - the intention here is certainly to have no side effects. It
>> > > > > looks like 'no_printk()' is used in quite a few other places that would
>> > > > > benefit from this change. So we probably want a generic
>> > > > > 'really_no_printk()' macro.
>> > > >
>> > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/6/17/231
>> > >
>> > > I don't see this in the tree.
>> >
>> > It never got applied.
>> >
>> > > Also maybe we should just convert
>> > > no_printk() to do what your 'eliminated_printk()'.
>> >
>> > Some of them at least.
>> >
>> > > So we can convert all users with this change?
>> >
>> > I don't think so, I think there are some
>> > function evaluation/side effects that are
>> > required.  I believe some do hardware I/O.
>> >
>> > It'd be good to at least isolate them.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure how to find them via some
>> > automated tool/mechanism though.
>> >
>> > I asked Julia Lawall about it once in this
>> > thread:  https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/12/3/696
>> >
>>
>> Seems rather fragile to have side effects that we rely
>> upon hidden in a printk().
>
> Yup.
>
>> Just convert them and see what breaks :)
>
> I appreciate your optimism.  It's very 1995.
> Try it and see what happens.


But Aaron says that DYNAMIC_DEBUG is enabled in most major
distributions, and all these side-effects don't happen with
DYNAMIC_DEBUG. This suggests that we can make these side-effects not
happen without DYNAMIC_DEBUG as well.
Or I am missing something here?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-04 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-24  9:15 use-after-free in sctp_do_sm Dmitry Vyukov
2015-11-24  9:15 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-11-24  9:31 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-11-24  9:31   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-11-24 10:10   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-11-24 10:10     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-11-24 20:45     ` Neil Horman
2015-11-24 20:45       ` Neil Horman
2015-11-24 21:08       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-24 21:08         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-24 21:12       ` David Miller
2015-11-24 21:12         ` David Miller
2015-11-25 15:12       ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-11-25 15:12         ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-11-28 15:50         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-11-28 15:50           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-03 16:51           ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-03 16:51             ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-03 17:43             ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-03 17:43               ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-03 17:59               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-03 17:59                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-03 18:06                 ` Marcelo
2015-12-03 18:06                   ` Marcelo
2015-12-03 18:35                   ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-03 18:35                     ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-03 18:43                     ` Marcelo
2015-12-03 18:43                       ` Marcelo
2015-12-04 17:14                       ` [PATCH net 0/3] sctp: packet timestamp fixes Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 17:14                         ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 17:14                         ` [PATCH net 1/3] sctp: use the same clock as if sock source timestamps were on Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 17:14                           ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 20:31                           ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-04 20:31                             ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-04 17:14                         ` [PATCH net 2/3] sctp: update the netstamp_needed counter when copying sockets Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 17:14                           ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 20:33                           ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-04 20:33                             ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-04 17:14                         ` [PATCH net 3/3] sctp: also copy sk_tsflags when copying the socket Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 17:14                           ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 20:33                           ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-04 20:33                             ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-06  3:24                         ` [PATCH net 0/3] sctp: packet timestamp fixes David Miller
2015-12-06  3:24                           ` David Miller
2015-12-03 13:05 ` use-after-free in sctp_do_sm Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-03 13:05   ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-03 13:45   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-03 13:45     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-03 14:48     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-03 14:48       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-03 15:55       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-03 15:55         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-03 16:15         ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-03 16:15           ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-03 17:02         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-03 17:02           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-03 17:12           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-03 17:12             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-03 18:52             ` Aaron Conole
2015-12-03 18:52               ` Aaron Conole
2015-12-03 19:06               ` Joe Perches
2015-12-03 19:06                 ` Joe Perches
2015-12-03 19:32               ` Jason Baron
2015-12-03 19:32                 ` Jason Baron
2015-12-03 20:03                 ` Joe Perches
2015-12-03 20:03                   ` Joe Perches
2015-12-03 20:10                   ` Jason Baron
2015-12-03 20:10                     ` Jason Baron
2015-12-03 20:24                     ` Joe Perches
2015-12-03 20:24                       ` Joe Perches
2015-12-03 20:42                       ` Jason Baron
2015-12-03 20:42                         ` Jason Baron
2015-12-03 20:51                         ` Joe Perches
2015-12-03 20:51                           ` Joe Perches
2015-12-04 10:40                           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-04 10:40                             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-04 12:55                             ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 12:55                               ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 15:37                               ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-04 15:37                                 ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-04 15:51                                 ` Aaron Conole
2015-12-04 15:51                                   ` Aaron Conole
2015-12-04 16:12                           ` Dmitry Vyukov [this message]
2015-12-04 16:12                             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-04 16:47                             ` Jason Baron
2015-12-04 16:47                               ` Jason Baron
2015-12-04 17:03                               ` Joe Perches
2015-12-04 17:03                                 ` Joe Perches
2015-12-04 17:11                                 ` Jason Baron
2015-12-04 17:11                                   ` Jason Baron
2015-12-04 10:41           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-04 10:41             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-04 17:48     ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 17:48       ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 20:25       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-04 20:25         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-04 21:34         ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 21:34           ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 21:38           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-04 21:38             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-05 16:39           ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-05 16:39             ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-07 11:26             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-07 11:26               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-07 13:15               ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-07 13:15                 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-07 13:20                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-07 13:20                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-07 18:52                   ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-07 18:52                     ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-07 19:33                     ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-07 19:33                       ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-07 19:50                       ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-07 19:50                         ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-07 20:37                         ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-07 20:37                           ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-07 20:52                           ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-07 20:52                             ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-08 17:30                             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-08 17:30                               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-08 17:40                               ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-08 17:40                                 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-08 19:22                                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-08 19:22                                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-09 14:41                                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-09 14:41                                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-09 15:03                                     ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-09 15:03                                       ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-09 16:41                                       ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-09 16:41                                         ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-11 13:35                                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-11 13:35                                           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-11 13:51                                           ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-11 13:51                                             ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-11 14:03                                             ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-11 14:03                                               ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-11 14:30                                               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-11 14:30                                                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-11 15:55                                                 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-11 15:55                                                   ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-08 13:00                                                   ` [PATCH] sctp: fix use-after-free in pr_debug statement Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-08 13:00                                                     ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-11 17:00                                                     ` Vlad Yasevich
2016-01-11 17:00                                                       ` Vlad Yasevich
2016-01-11 22:13                                                     ` David Miller
2016-01-11 22:13                                                       ` David Miller
2016-01-12  8:41                                                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2016-01-12  8:41                                                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-11 18:37                                               ` use-after-free in sctp_do_sm Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-11 18:37                                                 ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-14  9:50                                                 ` David Laight
2015-12-14 14:25                                                   ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-14 14:25                                                     ` Vlad Yasevich

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