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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Kleikamp <dave.kleikamp@oracle.com>,
	Zach Brown <zab@zabbo.net>, Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
	Kent Overstreet <kmo@daterainc.com>,
	"open list:AIO" <linux-aio@kvack.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 5/9] block: loop: convert to blk-mq
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:53:29 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACVXFVN6W-AAQ6g4LXHOyvMzU+EAmj_YYBEuYRnoSB+VqCJg8A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACVXFVO3CrD2CoHiBOZ8GNMXrT2pJ=t2BzmAHksqRTmgrpsaaQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
>> On 2014-08-16 02:06, Ming Lei wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/16/14, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/15/2014 10:36 AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/15/2014 10:31 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +static void loop_queue_work(struct work_struct *work)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Offloading work straight to a workqueue dosn't make much sense
>>>>>> in the blk-mq model as we'll usually be called from one.  If you
>>>>>> need to avoid the cases where we are called directly a flag for
>>>>>> the blk-mq code to always schedule a workqueue sounds like a much
>>>>>> better plan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a good point - would clean up this bit, and be pretty close to a
>>>>> one-liner to support in blk-mq for the drivers that always need blocking
>>>>> context.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Something like this should do the trick - totally untested. But with
>>>> that, loop would just need to add BLK_MQ_F_WQ_CONTEXT to it's tag set
>>>> flags and it could always do the work inline from ->queue_rq().
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it is a good idea.
>>>
>>> But for loop, there may be two problems:
>>>
>>> - default max_active for bound workqueue is 256, which means several slow
>>> loop devices might slow down whole block system. With kernel AIO, it won't
>>> be a big deal, but some block/fs may not support direct I/O and still
>>> fallback to
>>> workqueue
>>>
>>> - 6. Guidelines of Documentation/workqueue.txt
>>> If there is dependency among multiple work items used during memory
>>> reclaim, they should be queued to separate wq each with WQ_MEM_RECLAIM.
>>
>>
>> Both are good points. But I think this mainly means that we should support
>> this through a potentially per-dispatch queue workqueue, separate from
>> kblockd. There's no reason blk-mq can't support this with a per-hctx
>> workqueue, for drivers that need it.
>
> Good idea, and per-device workqueue should be enough if
> BLK_MQ_F_WQ_CONTEXT flag is set.

Maybe for most of cases per-device class(driver) workqueue should be
enough since dependency between devices driven by same driver
isn't common, for example, loop over loop is absolutely insane.

I will keep the work queue in loop-mq V2, and it should be easy to switch
to the mechanism once it is ready.

Thanks,

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Kleikamp <dave.kleikamp@oracle.com>,
	Zach Brown <zab@zabbo.net>, Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
	Kent Overstreet <kmo@daterainc.com>,
	"open list:AIO" <linux-aio@kvack.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 5/9] block: loop: convert to blk-mq
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:53:29 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACVXFVN6W-AAQ6g4LXHOyvMzU+EAmj_YYBEuYRnoSB+VqCJg8A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACVXFVO3CrD2CoHiBOZ8GNMXrT2pJ=t2BzmAHksqRTmgrpsaaQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
>> On 2014-08-16 02:06, Ming Lei wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/16/14, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/15/2014 10:36 AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/15/2014 10:31 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +static void loop_queue_work(struct work_struct *work)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Offloading work straight to a workqueue dosn't make much sense
>>>>>> in the blk-mq model as we'll usually be called from one.  If you
>>>>>> need to avoid the cases where we are called directly a flag for
>>>>>> the blk-mq code to always schedule a workqueue sounds like a much
>>>>>> better plan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a good point - would clean up this bit, and be pretty close to a
>>>>> one-liner to support in blk-mq for the drivers that always need blocking
>>>>> context.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Something like this should do the trick - totally untested. But with
>>>> that, loop would just need to add BLK_MQ_F_WQ_CONTEXT to it's tag set
>>>> flags and it could always do the work inline from ->queue_rq().
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it is a good idea.
>>>
>>> But for loop, there may be two problems:
>>>
>>> - default max_active for bound workqueue is 256, which means several slow
>>> loop devices might slow down whole block system. With kernel AIO, it won't
>>> be a big deal, but some block/fs may not support direct I/O and still
>>> fallback to
>>> workqueue
>>>
>>> - 6. Guidelines of Documentation/workqueue.txt
>>> If there is dependency among multiple work items used during memory
>>> reclaim, they should be queued to separate wq each with WQ_MEM_RECLAIM.
>>
>>
>> Both are good points. But I think this mainly means that we should support
>> this through a potentially per-dispatch queue workqueue, separate from
>> kblockd. There's no reason blk-mq can't support this with a per-hctx
>> workqueue, for drivers that need it.
>
> Good idea, and per-device workqueue should be enough if
> BLK_MQ_F_WQ_CONTEXT flag is set.

Maybe for most of cases per-device class(driver) workqueue should be
enough since dependency between devices driven by same driver
isn't common, for example, loop over loop is absolutely insane.

I will keep the work queue in loop-mq V2, and it should be easy to switch
to the mechanism once it is ready.

Thanks,

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-18 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-14 15:50 [PATCH v1 0/9] block & aio: kernel aio and loop mq conversion Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50 ` Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50 ` [PATCH v1 1/9] aio: add aio_kernel_() interface Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-14 18:07   ` Zach Brown
2014-08-14 18:07     ` Zach Brown
2014-08-15 13:20     ` Ming Lei
2014-08-15 13:20       ` Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50 ` [PATCH v1 2/9] fd/direct-io: introduce should_dirty for kernel aio Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50 ` [PATCH v1 3/9] blk-mq: export blk_mq_freeze_queue and blk_mq_unfreeze_queue Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50 ` [PATCH v1 4/9] blk-mq: introduce init_flush_rq_fn callback in 'blk_mq_ops' Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-15 16:19   ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-15 16:19     ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-16  7:49     ` Ming Lei
2014-08-16  7:49       ` Ming Lei
2014-08-17 18:39       ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-17 18:39         ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-14 15:50 ` [PATCH v1 5/9] block: loop: convert to blk-mq Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-15 16:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-08-15 16:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-08-15 16:36     ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-15 16:46       ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-16  8:06         ` Ming Lei
2014-08-16  8:06           ` Ming Lei
2014-08-17 17:48           ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-17 17:48             ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-18  1:22             ` Ming Lei
2014-08-18  1:22               ` Ming Lei
2014-08-18 11:53               ` Ming Lei [this message]
2014-08-18 11:53                 ` Ming Lei
2014-08-19 20:50                 ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-20  1:23                   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-20 16:09                     ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-21  2:54                       ` Ming Lei
2014-08-21  2:58                         ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-21  3:13                           ` Ming Lei
2014-08-21  3:15                             ` Ming Lei
2014-08-21  3:16                             ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-21  3:34                           ` Ming Lei
2014-08-21  5:44                   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-27 16:08                     ` Maxim Patlasov
2014-08-27 16:08                       ` Maxim Patlasov
2014-08-27 16:29                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2014-08-27 16:29                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2014-08-27 17:19                         ` Maxim Patlasov
2014-08-27 17:19                           ` Maxim Patlasov
2014-08-27 17:56                           ` Zach Brown
2014-08-27 17:56                             ` Zach Brown
2014-08-28  2:10                             ` Ming Lei
2014-08-28  2:10                               ` Ming Lei
2014-08-28  2:06                       ` Ming Lei
2014-08-28  2:06                         ` Ming Lei
2014-08-29 11:14                         ` Maxim Patlasov
2014-08-29 11:14                           ` Maxim Patlasov
2014-08-14 15:50 ` [PATCH v1 6/9] block: loop: say goodby to bio Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50 ` [PATCH v1 7/9] block: loop: introduce lo_discard() and lo_req_flush() Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50 ` [PATCH v1 8/9] block: loop: don't handle REQ_FUA explicitly Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50 ` [PATCH v1 9/9] block: loop: support to submit I/O via kernel aio based Ming Lei
2014-08-14 15:50   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-14 16:53 ` [PATCH v1 0/9] block & aio: kernel aio and loop mq conversion Jens Axboe
2014-08-14 16:53   ` Jens Axboe
2014-08-15 12:59   ` Ming Lei
2014-08-15 12:59     ` Ming Lei
2014-08-15 13:11     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-08-15 13:11       ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-08-15 14:32       ` Ming Lei
2014-08-15 14:32         ` Ming Lei
2014-08-29 10:41 [PATCH v1 5/9] block: loop: convert to blk-mq Maxim Patlasov

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