* GTX 1080 Ti (NV132/GP102)
@ 2017-05-24 9:52 Shahar Or
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From: Shahar Or @ 2017-05-24 9:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hey, I am experiencing some issues in Ubuntu 17.10 with this card.
Before I add any info, perhaps this is not at all supported? I don't see
this card in the feature matrix:
https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/
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* Re: GTX 1080 Ti (NV132/GP102) [not found] ` <CAF3gKsxF4aHmPXaBp_hBWU9YY0b4POU7Q-zVMxQdvfLPXbLkQA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-05-24 15:04 ` Ilia Mirkin [not found] ` <CAKb7UvizmS==c21wZfe2V2q1p7awpWmi8FwQhYJWX-V+sxcdgQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Ilia Mirkin @ 2017-05-24 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Shahar Or; +Cc: nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW GP102 should be supported. Depending on what you're looking for to be supported, your distribution may not be shipping the required versions of various software. On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Shahar Or <mightyiampresence@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey, I am experiencing some issues in Ubuntu 17.10 with this card. > > Before I add any info, perhaps this is not at all supported? I don't see > this card in the feature matrix: > https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nouveau mailing list > Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau > _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: GTX 1080 Ti (NV132/GP102) [not found] ` <CAKb7UvizmS==c21wZfe2V2q1p7awpWmi8FwQhYJWX-V+sxcdgQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-05-24 15:21 ` Shahar Or [not found] ` <CAF3gKsx=HrJEB+cmJU8comm6F4JbEC0ATHG76sT34sR4qhuVeg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Shahar Or @ 2017-05-24 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ilia Mirkin; +Cc: nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 968 bytes --] "should be supported" sounds promising. Do you know since what version of what things it "should be supported", please? On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 6:04 PM Ilia Mirkin <imirkin-FrUbXkNCsVf2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote: > GP102 should be supported. Depending on what you're looking for to be > supported, your distribution may not be shipping the required versions > of various software. > > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Shahar Or <mightyiampresence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > Hey, I am experiencing some issues in Ubuntu 17.10 with this card. > > > > Before I add any info, perhaps this is not at all supported? I don't see > > this card in the feature matrix: > > https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nouveau mailing list > > Nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org > > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau > > > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1752 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 154 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: GTX 1080 Ti (NV132/GP102) [not found] ` <CAF3gKsx=HrJEB+cmJU8comm6F4JbEC0ATHG76sT34sR4qhuVeg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-05-24 16:06 ` Ilia Mirkin [not found] ` <CAKb7UvhwFfUF4Nn-4uW9ykK=T1nSbJYMvDkO9OmA6j6SiGyGQQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Ilia Mirkin @ 2017-05-24 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Shahar Or; +Cc: nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ Linux Kernel 4.8 for modesetting (although there were important fixes later on, so at least 4.10 is probably good), and Linux Kernel 4.12 for GPU acceleration (for which you'll also need Mesa 17.1.x). Cheers, -ilia On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Shahar Or <mightyiampresence@gmail.com> wrote: > "should be supported" sounds promising. Do you know since what version of > what things it "should be supported", please? > > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 6:04 PM Ilia Mirkin <imirkin@alum.mit.edu> wrote: >> >> GP102 should be supported. Depending on what you're looking for to be >> supported, your distribution may not be shipping the required versions >> of various software. >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Shahar Or <mightyiampresence@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Hey, I am experiencing some issues in Ubuntu 17.10 with this card. >> > >> > Before I add any info, perhaps this is not at all supported? I don't see >> > this card in the feature matrix: >> > https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Nouveau mailing list >> > Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org >> > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau >> > _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: GTX 1080 Ti (NV132/GP102) [not found] ` <CAKb7UvhwFfUF4Nn-4uW9ykK=T1nSbJYMvDkO9OmA6j6SiGyGQQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-05-25 16:08 ` Shahar Or [not found] ` <CAF3gKszoN1kSZD7RBAnvJ=BqsMRK37ws3-vNp6wdys=V62D4vg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Shahar Or @ 2017-05-25 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ilia Mirkin; +Cc: nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1929 bytes --] Thanks for the info. Two issues: If I don't set `nomodeset` in the Linux args I get a freeze at boot. Know anything about that? Another issue is that in Google Chrome I seem have no hardware acceleration for anything other than "Multiple Raster Threads". See attached. If my kernel/libs are too old, please just tell me to fluff off. But I am on the development branch of Ubuntu... On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 7:06 PM Ilia Mirkin <imirkin-FrUbXkNCsVf2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote: > https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ > > Linux Kernel 4.8 for modesetting (although there were important fixes > later on, so at least 4.10 is probably good), and Linux Kernel 4.12 > for GPU acceleration (for which you'll also need Mesa 17.1.x). > > Cheers, > > -ilia > > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Shahar Or <mightyiampresence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > "should be supported" sounds promising. Do you know since what version of > > what things it "should be supported", please? > > > > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 6:04 PM Ilia Mirkin <imirkin-FrUbXkNCsVf2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > >> > >> GP102 should be supported. Depending on what you're looking for to be > >> supported, your distribution may not be shipping the required versions > >> of various software. > >> > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Shahar Or <mightyiampresence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > > > >> wrote: > >> > Hey, I am experiencing some issues in Ubuntu 17.10 with this card. > >> > > >> > Before I add any info, perhaps this is not at all supported? I don't > see > >> > this card in the feature matrix: > >> > https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Nouveau mailing list > >> > Nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org > >> > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau > >> > > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3260 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: gpu.html --] [-- Type: text/html, Size: 55037 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 154 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: GTX 1080 Ti (NV132/GP102) [not found] ` <CAF3gKszoN1kSZD7RBAnvJ=BqsMRK37ws3-vNp6wdys=V62D4vg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-05-25 16:16 ` Ilia Mirkin 2017-05-25 16:20 ` Pierre Moreau 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Ilia Mirkin @ 2017-05-25 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Shahar Or; +Cc: nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Shahar Or <mightyiampresence@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the info. Two issues: > > If I don't set `nomodeset` in the Linux args I get a freeze at boot. Know > anything about that? "nomodeset" is another way of saying "disable all graphics stuff". Since "graphics stuff" is what you're trying to achieve, this isn't a viable workaround. Would have to see the logs to see why you're getting a freeze on boot when nouveau actually tries to load. _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: GTX 1080 Ti (NV132/GP102) [not found] ` <CAF3gKszoN1kSZD7RBAnvJ=BqsMRK37ws3-vNp6wdys=V62D4vg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 2017-05-25 16:16 ` Ilia Mirkin @ 2017-05-25 16:20 ` Pierre Moreau [not found] ` <20170525162044.jit5ciapzee2b5gg-WLoDKDh+7sdAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Pierre Moreau @ 2017-05-25 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Shahar Or; +Cc: nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW > Another issue is that in Google Chrome I seem have no hardware acceleration > for anything other than "Multiple Raster Threads". See attached. Two things: you are using nomodeset, and hardware acceleration for Pascal cards was only merged in 4.12 (which has not been released yet), as pointed out by Ilia. Pierre _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: GTX 1080 Ti (NV132/GP102) [not found] ` <20170525162044.jit5ciapzee2b5gg-WLoDKDh+7sdAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-08-21 14:01 ` Shahar Or [not found] ` <CAF3gKszQB4CDfKESqVFWjzE8vhMu3KzSCyXRKQvUww8WBWwRXA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Shahar Or @ 2017-08-21 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ilia Mirkin, nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 973 bytes --] Since the Ubuntu 17.10 that I'm running now has Linux 4.12, there should be some support for my card, yet I still experience the same phenomenon. If I DO NOT use `nomodeset`, I see the boot log shooting through and then blank. I can tell that it is not a system halt, because I can ctrl-alt-delete and the OS catches that and safely reboots. It is the official Ubuntu 4.12.0-11-generic, x86_64. 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP102 [GeForce GTX 1080 Ti] (rev a1) How can I further help you help me, please? On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:20 PM Pierre Moreau <pierre.morrow-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Another issue is that in Google Chrome I seem have no hardware > acceleration > > for anything other than "Multiple Raster Threads". See attached. > > Two things: you are using nomodeset, and hardware acceleration for Pascal > cards > was only merged in 4.12 (which has not been released yet), as pointed out > by > Ilia. > > Pierre > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1375 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 154 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: GTX 1080 Ti (NV132/GP102) [not found] ` <CAF3gKszQB4CDfKESqVFWjzE8vhMu3KzSCyXRKQvUww8WBWwRXA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-08-26 0:17 ` rosenp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w [not found] ` <1503706621.2730.3.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: rosenp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w @ 2017-08-26 0:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Shahar Or, Ilia Mirkin, nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW dmesg | grep nouveau . You can do this if you have ssh enabled on your machine. On my 980, There was an issue introduced in 4.12 which gives me similar behavior where I cannot boot up GNOME. Commit that fixes it which is part of 4.13 is called "add support for address-only transactions". Ask your distro to backport. On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 14:01 +0000, Shahar Or wrote: > Since the Ubuntu 17.10 that I'm running now has Linux 4.12, there > should be some support for my card, yet I still experience the same > phenomenon. > > If I DO NOT use `nomodeset`, I see the boot log shooting through and > then blank. I can tell that it is not a system halt, because I can > ctrl-alt-delete and the OS catches that and safely reboots. > > It is the official Ubuntu 4.12.0-11-generic, x86_64. > > 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP102 [GeForce > GTX 1080 Ti] (rev a1) > > How can I further help you help me, please? > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:20 PM Pierre Moreau <pierre.morrow@free.fr> > wrote: > > > Another issue is that in Google Chrome I seem have no hardware > > acceleration > > > for anything other than "Multiple Raster Threads". See attached. > > > > Two things: you are using nomodeset, and hardware acceleration for > > Pascal cards > > was only merged in 4.12 (which has not been released yet), as > > pointed out by > > Ilia. > > > > Pierre > > _______________________________________________ > Nouveau mailing list > Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: GTX 1080 Ti (NV132/GP102) [not found] ` <1503706621.2730.3.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-09-13 18:35 ` Shahar Or 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Shahar Or @ 2017-09-13 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: rosenp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w, Ilia Mirkin, nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW, Eden Berger [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2179 bytes --] Hey. Thanks for the tip. I finally got around to capturing these long entries. So, here they are: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25529150/ I hope it helps. What you can see in it, are two consecutive boot-ups. The first is without `nomodeset` and therefore fails (so I don't get any display output) and the second is with `nomodeset` so I do get a usable computer but no GPU acceleration. What do the logs tell us, please? On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 3:17 AM <rosenp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > dmesg | grep nouveau . You can do this if you have ssh enabled on your > machine. > > On my 980, There was an issue introduced in 4.12 which gives me similar > behavior where I cannot boot up GNOME. Commit that fixes it which is > part of 4.13 is called "add support for address-only transactions". > > Ask your distro to backport. > > On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 14:01 +0000, Shahar Or wrote: > > Since the Ubuntu 17.10 that I'm running now has Linux 4.12, there > > should be some support for my card, yet I still experience the same > > phenomenon. > > > > If I DO NOT use `nomodeset`, I see the boot log shooting through and > > then blank. I can tell that it is not a system halt, because I can > > ctrl-alt-delete and the OS catches that and safely reboots. > > > > It is the official Ubuntu 4.12.0-11-generic, x86_64. > > > > 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP102 [GeForce > > GTX 1080 Ti] (rev a1) > > > > How can I further help you help me, please? > > > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:20 PM Pierre Moreau <pierre.morrow-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org> > > wrote: > > > > Another issue is that in Google Chrome I seem have no hardware > > > acceleration > > > > for anything other than "Multiple Raster Threads". See attached. > > > > > > Two things: you are using nomodeset, and hardware acceleration for > > > Pascal cards > > > was only merged in 4.12 (which has not been released yet), as > > > pointed out by > > > Ilia. > > > > > > Pierre > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nouveau mailing list > > Nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org > > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3106 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 154 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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