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From: Rob Clark <robdclark-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Tomasz Figa <tfiga-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Linux PM <linux-pm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied-cv59FeDIM0c@public.gmane.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw-LthD3rsA81gm4RdzfppkhA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-msm
	<linux-arm-msm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	dri-devel
	<dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org>,
	"list-Y9sIeH5OGRo@public.gmane.org:IOMMU DRIVERS
	<iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"
	<iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Vivek Gautam
	<vivek.gautam-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg KH
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	freedreno
	<freedreno-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 6/6] drm/msm: iommu: Replace runtime calls with runtime suppliers
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:14:40 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF6AEGvWhG83gYOAHSkx4_t3y_y4WH3xEmE3VXzVnO8VExJ0Vw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAFQd5C-9mbd3hDSvz10a1oiO0--FT-L4EpsAYcALxxUvk6Fjg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:12 AM, Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Jordan Crouse <jcrouse@codeaurora.org> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:31:29PM +0900, Tomasz Figa wrote:
>>>>
>>>> - When submitting commands to the GPU, the GPU driver will
>>>> pm_runtime_get_sync() on the GPU device, which will automatically do
>>>> the same on all the linked suppliers, which would also include the
>>>> SMMU itself. The role of device links here is exactly that the GPU
>>>> driver doesn't have to care which other devices need to be brought up.
>>>
>>> This is true.  Assuming that the device link works correctly we would not need
>>> to explicitly power the SMMU which makes my point entirely moot.
>>
>> Just to point out what motivated this patchset, the biggest problem is
>> iommu_unmap() because that can happen when GPU is not powered on (or
>> in the v4l2 case, because some other device dropped it's reference to
>> the dma-buf allowing it to be free'd).  Currently we pm get/put the
>> GPU device around unmap, but it is kinda silly to boot up the GPU just
>> to unmap a buffer.
>
> Note that in V4L2 both mapping and unmapping can happen completely
> without involving the driver. So AFAICT the approach being implemented
> by this patchset will not work, because there will be no one to power
> up the IOMMU before the operation. Moreover, there are platforms for
> which there is no reason to power up the IOMMU just for map/unmap,
> because the hardware state is lost anyway and the only real work
> needed is updating the page tables in memory. (I feel like this is
> actually true for most of the platforms in the wild, but this is based
> purely on the not so small number of platforms I worked with, haven't
> bothered looking for more general evidence.)
>

At least as far as drm/msm/adreno, I'm not terribly concerned about
other platforms that don't need to power up iommu.  It's not really
the same situation as a IP block that shows up in all different
vendor's SoCs.

But if you can convince Robin to go for get/put_sync() calls inside
the iommu driver, I'm fine with that approach too.  That is what I do
in qcom_iommu already.  But if not I'd like to at least solve this for
some platforms if we can't solve for all.

BR,
-R

>>
>> (Semi-related, I would also like to batch map/unmap's, I just haven't
>> gotten around to implementing it yet.. but that would be another case
>> where a single get_supplier()/put_supplier() outside of the iommu
>> would make sense instead of pm_get/put() inside the iommu driver's
>> ->unmap().)
>>
>> If you really dislike the get/put_supplier() approach, then perhaps we
>> need iommu_pm_get()/iommu_pm_put() operations that the iommu user
>> could use to accomplish the same thing?
>
> I'm afraid this wouldn't work for V4L2 either. And I still haven't
> been given any evidence that the approach I'm suggesting, which relies
> only on existing pieces of infrastructure and which worked for both
> Exynos and Rockchip, including V4L2, wouldn't work for SMMU and/or QC
> SoCs.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz
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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>
To: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>
Cc: Vivek Gautam <vivek.gautam@codeaurora.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"list@263.net:IOMMU DRIVERS <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,"
	<iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	freedreno <freedreno@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Freedreno] [PATCH v7 6/6] drm/msm: iommu: Replace runtime calls with runtime suppliers
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:14:40 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF6AEGvWhG83gYOAHSkx4_t3y_y4WH3xEmE3VXzVnO8VExJ0Vw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAFQd5C-9mbd3hDSvz10a1oiO0--FT-L4EpsAYcALxxUvk6Fjg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:12 AM, Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Jordan Crouse <jcrouse@codeaurora.org> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:31:29PM +0900, Tomasz Figa wrote:
>>>>
>>>> - When submitting commands to the GPU, the GPU driver will
>>>> pm_runtime_get_sync() on the GPU device, which will automatically do
>>>> the same on all the linked suppliers, which would also include the
>>>> SMMU itself. The role of device links here is exactly that the GPU
>>>> driver doesn't have to care which other devices need to be brought up.
>>>
>>> This is true.  Assuming that the device link works correctly we would not need
>>> to explicitly power the SMMU which makes my point entirely moot.
>>
>> Just to point out what motivated this patchset, the biggest problem is
>> iommu_unmap() because that can happen when GPU is not powered on (or
>> in the v4l2 case, because some other device dropped it's reference to
>> the dma-buf allowing it to be free'd).  Currently we pm get/put the
>> GPU device around unmap, but it is kinda silly to boot up the GPU just
>> to unmap a buffer.
>
> Note that in V4L2 both mapping and unmapping can happen completely
> without involving the driver. So AFAICT the approach being implemented
> by this patchset will not work, because there will be no one to power
> up the IOMMU before the operation. Moreover, there are platforms for
> which there is no reason to power up the IOMMU just for map/unmap,
> because the hardware state is lost anyway and the only real work
> needed is updating the page tables in memory. (I feel like this is
> actually true for most of the platforms in the wild, but this is based
> purely on the not so small number of platforms I worked with, haven't
> bothered looking for more general evidence.)
>

At least as far as drm/msm/adreno, I'm not terribly concerned about
other platforms that don't need to power up iommu.  It's not really
the same situation as a IP block that shows up in all different
vendor's SoCs.

But if you can convince Robin to go for get/put_sync() calls inside
the iommu driver, I'm fine with that approach too.  That is what I do
in qcom_iommu already.  But if not I'd like to at least solve this for
some platforms if we can't solve for all.

BR,
-R

>>
>> (Semi-related, I would also like to batch map/unmap's, I just haven't
>> gotten around to implementing it yet.. but that would be another case
>> where a single get_supplier()/put_supplier() outside of the iommu
>> would make sense instead of pm_get/put() inside the iommu driver's
>> ->unmap().)
>>
>> If you really dislike the get/put_supplier() approach, then perhaps we
>> need iommu_pm_get()/iommu_pm_put() operations that the iommu user
>> could use to accomplish the same thing?
>
> I'm afraid this wouldn't work for V4L2 either. And I still haven't
> been given any evidence that the approach I'm suggesting, which relies
> only on existing pieces of infrastructure and which worked for both
> Exynos and Rockchip, including V4L2, wouldn't work for SMMU and/or QC
> SoCs.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-15 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-07 10:31 [PATCH v7 0/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add runtime pm/sleep support Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31 ` Vivek Gautam
     [not found] ` <1517999482-17317-1-git-send-email-vivek.gautam-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-07 10:31   ` [PATCH v7 1/6] base: power: runtime: Export pm_runtime_get/put_suppliers Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31     ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  7:44     ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13  7:44       ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]       ` <CAAFQd5BmroRf-C8dQkvTKHWK1psGnNi1t7g-q=Xce6KjrGTsdw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-13 12:00         ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-13 12:00           ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-13 12:54           ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 12:54             ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 13:37             ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-13 13:37               ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-07 10:31   ` [PATCH v7 2/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add pm_runtime/sleep ops Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31     ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  8:03     ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13  8:03       ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]       ` <CAAFQd5B2u8RL-tdB3qgPxVUcXnsBSEhXRBZWxqO-w6rYKAiOtg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-13 10:25         ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13 10:25           ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14  3:45           ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14  3:45             ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-07 10:31   ` [PATCH v7 3/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Invoke pm_runtime during probe, add/remove device Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31     ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  8:24     ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13  8:24       ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]       ` <CAAFQd5DxYhkK61VDAesby6bT+FtG2nqsbHQRvxkhrsSS0KWtog-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-13 12:57         ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-13 12:57           ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]           ` <906051dd-8898-ec6f-5ad4-3f37716292cf-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-13 13:52             ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 13:52               ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]               ` <CAAFQd5DJtQYPg5S3Ep2bK27+D5rQiKuA-uPfMDUon3FudmGF0w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14  8:24                 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14  8:24                   ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14  8:28       ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14  8:28         ` Vivek Gautam
     [not found]     ` <1517999482-17317-4-git-send-email-vivek.gautam-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-22 23:52       ` Jordan Crouse
2018-02-22 23:52         ` Jordan Crouse
     [not found]         ` <20180222235200.GA18743-9PYrDHPZ2Orvke4nUoYGnHL1okKdlPRT@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 10:36           ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-23 10:36             ` Vivek Gautam
     [not found]             ` <CAFp+6iGQ5Vckui14Jb=V0uk_Pjes95hOxo=KBijR4yxPeDDzFg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 15:40               ` [Freedreno] " Jordan Crouse
2018-02-23 15:40                 ` Jordan Crouse
     [not found]                 ` <20180223154048.GB18743-9PYrDHPZ2Orvke4nUoYGnHL1okKdlPRT@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 17:43                   ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-23 17:43                     ` [Freedreno] " Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31   ` [PATCH v7 4/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add the device_link between masters and smmu Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31     ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  8:31     ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13  8:31       ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]       ` <CAAFQd5BQAs9=N27_Z0pJNSrndFY3vFin2KBP44UtiW+tMXy5nQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-13 10:14         ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13 10:14           ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31   ` [PATCH v7 5/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add support for qcom, smmu-v2 variant Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31     ` [PATCH v7 5/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add support for qcom,smmu-v2 variant Vivek Gautam
2018-02-09 10:57     ` [PATCH v8 " Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  8:57       ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13  8:57         ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-07 10:31   ` [PATCH v7 6/6] drm/msm: iommu: Replace runtime calls with runtime suppliers Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31     ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  9:10     ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13  9:10       ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]       ` <CAAFQd5AjopiX6fDgD+mO+-+d0yj-swEnVCNvccWRBSMO+XVJkA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-13 16:42         ` Jordan Crouse
2018-02-13 16:42           ` Jordan Crouse
2018-02-14  3:31           ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]             ` <CAAFQd5CjQRFATfh-mRQv5J=WefYuxBVTkk=Ju09FoqA-Or5Cvg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 15:48               ` Jordan Crouse
2018-02-14 15:48                 ` Jordan Crouse
     [not found]                 ` <20180214154850.GA25422-9PYrDHPZ2Orvke4nUoYGnHL1okKdlPRT@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 16:12                   ` [Freedreno] " Rob Clark
2018-02-14 16:12                     ` Rob Clark
2018-02-15  4:09                     ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-15  4:09                       ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]                       ` <CAAFQd5C-9mbd3hDSvz10a1oiO0--FT-L4EpsAYcALxxUvk6Fjg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-15 14:14                         ` Rob Clark [this message]
2018-02-15 14:14                           ` Rob Clark
2018-02-13 18:03         ` Rob Clark
2018-02-13 18:03           ` Rob Clark
2018-02-14  1:59           ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14  1:59             ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]             ` <CAAFQd5BKRumpEfAKNF_RKS-ZZ8D671DfOz4vB2+w1SV3aG9NxQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14  2:13               ` Rob Clark
2018-02-14  2:13                 ` Rob Clark
     [not found]                 ` <CAF6AEGuNZJKtwGZ5mLfqNND2jtU+HYM11UONfAtVTzoM0QVpdg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14  3:01                   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14  3:01                     ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]                     ` <CAAFQd5BZJ1G0RG32hYErNzPRvisBhhiSNCBsjbzfm0WzO=DnsQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14  4:17                       ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14  4:17                         ` Vivek Gautam
     [not found]                         ` <CAFp+6iHaycK=CcE1S15EeuMkaw8LnW0ebptU0hM6tUtWdeEOtA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14  5:38                           ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14  5:38                             ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]                             ` <CAAFQd5Afj-Bj+3wHwmF2tT7y=46EsYEtO_mXfY6stXBgHutEUg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14  9:13                               ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14  9:13                                 ` Vivek Gautam
     [not found]                                 ` <CAFp+6iGX6pr+MdPSSHHG=qOnhHky_8OHiDqAcJ9UudEUv=JMHg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14  9:16                                   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14  9:16                                     ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]                                     ` <CAAFQd5DiwAugGnPOTw0+XrEfef9x-n-vx59JFuXpNawjiXHwCw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 10:33                                       ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14 10:33                                         ` Vivek Gautam
     [not found]                                         ` <CAFp+6iEW0faeHDfzN_F1bRrHGcVo3sPCk4HSY=t9dnEvHkDkYw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 16:03                                           ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-14 16:03                                             ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-15  3:17                                             ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]                                               ` <CAAFQd5AmG1zSm+CouXOCJbs8SNGFk1-RqfU1nWGjMGJMB-qfvw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-15  4:17                                                 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-15  4:17                                                   ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]                                                   ` <CAAFQd5A9B-di9svtiJbvk2hz1U1xo61rTY5vt6AD+KR5iMcG-A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-15 17:14                                                     ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-15 17:14                                                       ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                                                       ` <7406f1ce-c2c9-a6bd-2886-5a34de45add6-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-16  0:13                                                         ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-16  0:13                                                           ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]                                                           ` <CAAFQd5DkLtq2w00=Zd4sMDB4QOWqi7R-zgydECJXLdTmaHty+g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-22  8:13                                                             ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-22  8:13                                                               ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]                                                               ` <CAAFQd5CQoDqunAunwoVo7W=QXa=ET=eJ2s_j9j+3YgAR2EGgCg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-22 13:30                                                                 ` Rob Clark
2018-02-22 13:30                                                                   ` [Freedreno] " Rob Clark
2018-02-22 13:45                                                             ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-22 13:45                                                               ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-22 14:12                                                               ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-22 14:12                                                                 ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]                                                                 ` <CAAFQd5CzOJ0oS8LLcKP-DgyXSXgzafg5CWPAvnR-QDPS+DZAUg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-22 17:24                                                                   ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-22 17:24                                                                     ` Vivek Gautam

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