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From: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
To: Christopher Covington <cov@codeaurora.org>
Cc: Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>,
	"cross-distro@lists.linaro.org" <cross-distro@lists.linaro.org>,
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	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@citrix.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC v2] ARM VM System Specification
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:08:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA8RttCvbOAw-m-W6C-mh1o4hj6nqGMkDbRsSF6ZoQZ7Kg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53973AA8.9020301@codeaurora.org>

On 10 June 2014 18:04, Christopher Covington <cov@codeaurora.org> wrote:
> On 06/10/2014 10:42 AM, Peter Maydell wrote:
>> I just noticed that this doesn't mandate that the platform
>> provides an RTC. As I understand it, the UEFI spec mandates
>> that there's an RTC (could somebody more familiar with UEFI
>> than me confirm/deny that?) so we should probably put one here.
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly disqualifies Generic Timer
> implementations from being used as Real Time Clocks?

So my naive view was that an RTC actually had to have
support for dealing with real (wall) clock time, ie
knowing it's 2014 and not 1970. The generic timers are
just timers. Or am I wrong and UEFI doesn't really
require that?

It's also handy if you're booting Linux directly without
UEFI, since it means you can actually have a /dev/rtc0
(and QEMU's implementation at least will correctly give
you the time based on the host's RTC).

thanks
-- PMM

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: peter.maydell@linaro.org (Peter Maydell)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC v2] ARM VM System Specification
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:08:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA8RttCvbOAw-m-W6C-mh1o4hj6nqGMkDbRsSF6ZoQZ7Kg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53973AA8.9020301@codeaurora.org>

On 10 June 2014 18:04, Christopher Covington <cov@codeaurora.org> wrote:
> On 06/10/2014 10:42 AM, Peter Maydell wrote:
>> I just noticed that this doesn't mandate that the platform
>> provides an RTC. As I understand it, the UEFI spec mandates
>> that there's an RTC (could somebody more familiar with UEFI
>> than me confirm/deny that?) so we should probably put one here.
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly disqualifies Generic Timer
> implementations from being used as Real Time Clocks?

So my naive view was that an RTC actually had to have
support for dealing with real (wall) clock time, ie
knowing it's 2014 and not 1970. The generic timers are
just timers. Or am I wrong and UEFI doesn't really
require that?

It's also handy if you're booting Linux directly without
UEFI, since it means you can actually have a /dev/rtc0
(and QEMU's implementation at least will correctly give
you the time based on the host's RTC).

thanks
-- PMM

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-10 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-28 18:45 [RFC v2] ARM VM System Specification Christoffer Dall
2014-03-28 18:45 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-30 22:10 ` Olof Johansson
2014-03-30 22:10 ` Olof Johansson
2014-03-30 22:10   ` Olof Johansson
2014-03-31 17:26   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-31 17:26   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-31 17:26     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-04-01  9:49     ` Ian Campbell
2014-04-01  9:49     ` Ian Campbell
2014-04-01  9:49       ` Ian Campbell
2014-04-01  9:57       ` Michael Casadevall
2014-04-01  9:57       ` Michael Casadevall
2014-04-01  9:57         ` Michael Casadevall
2014-04-01 10:16         ` Grant Likely
2014-04-01 10:16           ` Grant Likely
2014-04-01 10:16         ` Grant Likely
2014-04-29 14:42 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-04-29 14:42 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-04-29 14:42   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-04-30  8:14   ` Grant Likely
2014-04-30  8:14   ` Grant Likely
2014-04-30  8:14     ` Grant Likely
2014-06-10 14:42 ` Peter Maydell
2014-06-10 14:42 ` Peter Maydell
2014-06-10 14:42   ` Peter Maydell
2014-06-10 15:03   ` Ian Campbell
2014-06-10 15:03     ` Ian Campbell
2014-06-10 15:03   ` Ian Campbell
2014-06-10 17:00   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 17:00     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 17:00   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 17:04   ` Christopher Covington
2014-06-10 17:04   ` Christopher Covington
2014-06-10 17:04     ` Christopher Covington
2014-06-10 18:08     ` Peter Maydell
2014-06-10 18:08     ` Peter Maydell [this message]
2014-06-10 18:08       ` Peter Maydell
2014-06-10 18:56       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 18:56       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 18:56         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 19:18         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 19:18           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 19:18         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 19:18         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 19:18         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-10 19:18           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-11  6:54           ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-11  6:54           ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-11  6:54             ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-11  8:16             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-11  8:16             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-11  8:16               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-11  9:06               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-11  9:06               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-11  9:06                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-30 16:19                 ` Jon Masters
2014-06-30 16:19                 ` Jon Masters
2014-06-30 16:19                   ` Jon Masters
2014-06-30 20:46                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-30 20:46                     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-30 21:14                     ` Peter Maydell
2014-06-30 21:14                     ` Peter Maydell
2014-06-30 21:14                       ` Peter Maydell
2014-07-01 17:03                       ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-07-01 17:03                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-07-01 17:10                         ` Peter Maydell
2014-07-01 17:10                         ` Peter Maydell
2014-07-01 17:10                           ` Peter Maydell
2014-07-02 10:13                           ` Christoffer Dall
2014-07-02 10:13                           ` Christoffer Dall
2014-07-02 10:13                             ` Christoffer Dall
2014-07-01 17:03                       ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-06-30 20:46                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-11 11:33         ` Grant Likely
2014-06-11 11:33           ` Grant Likely
2014-06-11 11:58           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-11 11:58           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-11 11:58             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-11 12:02             ` Grant Likely
2014-06-11 12:02             ` Grant Likely
2014-06-11 12:02               ` Grant Likely
2014-06-11 14:14           ` Peter Maydell
2014-06-11 14:14           ` Peter Maydell
2014-06-11 14:14             ` Peter Maydell
2014-06-11 11:33         ` Grant Likely
2014-06-10 16:44 ` Claudio Fontana
2014-06-10 16:44 ` Claudio Fontana
2014-06-10 16:44   ` Claudio Fontana
2014-06-10 19:21   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-10 19:21     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-10 19:21   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-11  9:50   ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-06-11  9:50   ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-06-11  9:50     ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-06-11  9:55     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-11  9:55       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-11 11:28       ` Grant Likely
2014-06-11 11:28       ` Grant Likely
2014-06-11 11:28         ` Grant Likely
2014-06-11 12:04         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-11 12:04         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-11 12:04           ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-11  9:55     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-06-11 10:27     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-11 10:27       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-11 10:27     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-11 11:22   ` Grant Likely
2014-06-11 11:22   ` Grant Likely
2014-06-11 11:22     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-28 18:45 Christoffer Dall

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